Politics

[royal white]

19 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Finally 😁 Can you stop asking me then when I've already answered. That's twice in the past day now. We're talking about your plan remember. You keep mentioning Australia and what they do. But they haven't paused all asylum claims. How do you propose we do it? 

I’m not asking you, I’ve acknowledged you’ve said there’s way of accommodating, you’ve literally quoted what I have said 🤤

[Spider]

Can we not build a few HMO’s around those 40 new hospitals?

that should cover a lot of the NHS side of the problem.

 

[London Wanderer]

49 minutes ago, royal white said:

What a great idea why did no one think of that. 🙄
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-64916446.amp

But like everything it’s taking time.

Like it’s going to time to build houses, schools surgeries etc. 

And no shit you’re not going to return someone to France who has arrived from let’s say Belgium. Finger on the pulse you haven’t you.

Anyway let’s just keep them coming, let’s try and put them off with Barges and RAF bases that’ll show them! knowing full well it won’t stop anyone. 

Exactly RW - great article 👍 Two countries working together to tackle the problem. How do you figure that deal will work out when we leave all three treaties with your plan? 😂

You're going off on tangents again anyway, we all know the challenges with accommodation. You've not answered any of the questions I asked about your plan to pause all asylum claims and where we would send them. 

47 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’m not asking you

You did pal, twice in a day remember. I told you the first time and you asked again. I was just thanking you for finally acknowledging I had already answered 👍

You've been talking a lot about pressure on public services. As if halting asylum claims and immigration is part of the solution. But neither are to blame for the problems in these services and in some sectors we need more immigration. Very worrying stats in the news today about the number of doctors thinking of leaving the profession. Do you think that's because they're treating too many asylum seekers and are overwhelmed? 🙄 

So yes, I agree, let's keep them coming. Obviously within reason & more sustainably managed. We don't need to "show them" (they're not criminals). Let's continue to take our share, it's what makes us the tolerant and welcoming country we are. 

“Population is not well discussed in Britain, our self-image is an old and constrained country. We find it hard to be positive about population growth. But it has boosted economic growth. It has made austerity less painful, by increasing total employment and tax revenues. And congestion, pressure on services – they’re considerably easier to cope with, from a collective point of view, than the opposite problems. We’ve forgotten what depopulation feels like.”

(some economist) 
 

Edited August 13, 2023 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

15 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Exactly RW - great article 👍 Two countries working together to tackle the problem. How do you figure that deal will work out when we leave all three treaties with your plan? 😂

You're going off on tangents again anyway, we all know the challenges with accommodation. You've not answered any of the questions I asked about your plan to pause all asylum claims and where we would send them. 

You did pal, twice in a day remember. I told you the first time and you asked again. I was just thanking you for finally acknowledging I had already answered 👍

You've been talking a lot about pressure on public services. As if halting asylum claims and immigration is part of the solution. But neither are to blame for the problems in these services and in some sectors we need more immigration. Very worrying stats in the news today about the number of doctors thinking of leaving the profession. Do you think that's because they're treating too many asylum seekers and are overwhelmed? 🙄 

So yes, I agree, let's keep them coming. Obviously within reason & more sustainably managed. We don't need to "show them" (they're not criminals). Let's continue to take our share, it's what makes us the tolerant and welcoming country we are. 

“Population is not well discussed in Britain, our self-image is an old and constrained country. We find it hard to be positive about population growth. But it has boosted economic growth. It has made austerity less painful, by increasing total employment and tax revenues. And congestion, pressure on services – they’re considerably easier to cope with, from a collective point of view, than the opposite problems. We’ve forgotten what depopulation feels like.”

(some economist) 
 

As I said 2 countries working together, let’s continue with discussions and open more options as this one is taking its time.

Of course we need them but we have over 150k to get through at the moment. 12-18 months per claim (yes we know they’re not all eligible but they will still be here for months) you do the maths. 
 

I said from the start a break will eventually allow more of them to come via safer routes, it blatantly obvious you’re not for that and why is anyone’s guess? 
 

The 150k backlog could possibly rise to 200k in 6 months 300k in 18 months when does it slow down? 

[royal white]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Can we not build a few HMO’s around those 40 new hospitals?

that should cover a lot of the NHS side of the problem.

 

You don’t need them,  all the nurses and Drs coming over can just work from a tent. 

[London Wanderer]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

As I said 2 countries working together, let’s continue with discussions and open more options as this one is taking its time.

I said from the start a break will eventually allow more of them to come via safer routes, it blatantly obvious you’re not for that and why is anyone’s guess? 

We'd need to leave the Refugee Convention treaty to pause all asylum claims. And the other two I mentioned. The whole point of those treaties is working together and having open discussions. How do we continue to work with these countries if we completely separate ourselves?

Of course I'm against it 😂 You can guess away with as many reasons as you want. I think I've made it quite obvious why it's a ridiculous idea, as have others. Have you seen what the Taliban have been up to lately ? Imagine turning someone away who's escaped and made the journey here to join their family or start a new life. "sorry mate, can you come back in 18months. The Tories have fucked everything and we need a bit of time. No idea where you can go, but look after yourself". 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Given the taliban abuse around half of their population as a matter of principle, no way is it viable for us, nor anyone else, to take whords of them.

Sometimes a simple no will suffice.

Supply those their willing to fight the taliban for a free society, but don't keep facilitating the regime by taking numerous folk out of the society.

Simply prolongs the situation. 

[royal white]

31 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

We'd need to leave the Refugee Convention treaty to pause all asylum claims. And the other two I mentioned. The whole point of those treaties is working together and having open discussions. How do we continue to work with these countries if we completely separate ourselves?

Of course I'm against it 😂 You can guess away with as many reasons as you want. I think I've made it quite obvious why it's a ridiculous idea, as have others. Have you seen what the Taliban have been up to lately ? Imagine turning someone away who's escaped and made the journey here to join their family or start a new life. "sorry mate, can you come back in 18months. The Tories have fucked everything and we need a bit of time. No idea where you can go, but look after yourself". 

That’s exactly what the NHS are doing when you tried to be smart in one of your earlier posts. 😂🤤

Genuine question, How do Italy and Greece go about it? They’ve sent plenty back. 
 

These other countries will be able to see the long term benefits, a break would eventually lead to safer routes and more being able to come over. But you don’t want that. Keep coming in the boats boys and girls 

[London Wanderer]

25 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Given the taliban abuse around half of their population as a matter of principle, no way is it viable for us, nor anyone else, to take whords of them.

Sometimes a simple no will suffice.

Supply those their willing to fight the taliban for a free society, but don't keep facilitating the regime by taking numerous folk out of the society.

Simply prolongs the situation. 

Yes - because I was suggesting we suddenly take in millions of Afghans by 'taking them out of their society'. More figures being plucked from thin air again to make a point. 

I guess in hindsight we should never have taken any Jews in back in the 1940s. Should have just sent them back with guns instead and hoped for the best. We were only facilitating the Nazi regime by prolonging the situation. Sometimes a simple no will suffice. 🙄

We're achieving some serious tangents here. All I want to know is how folk propose we leave the Refugee Convention and pause all immediate asylum claims for the next 18 months? 

[Winchester White]

18 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Given the taliban abuse around half of their population as a matter of principle, no way is it viable for us, nor anyone else, to take whords of them.

Sometimes a simple no will suffice.

Supply those their willing to fight the taliban for a free society, but don't keep facilitating the regime by taking numerous folk out of the society.

Simply prolongs the situation. 

Come on mate, we should never have been there in the first place in hindsight yet we had UN approval. We as underlings to the US used many Afghans to help rid the country of the Taliban.

We have been appalling to those who hoped for change and banked on western promises that were worth shit.

We finally opened a badly delayed and substandard route for our Ukrainian allies yet those who actually worked for us in incredibly difficult times are shafted.

We are full apparently yet we can't fulfil doctors roles and basically every qualified job going.

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

That’s exactly what the NHS are doing when you tried to be smart in one of your earlier posts. 😂🤤

Genuine question, How do Italy and Greece go about it? They’ve sent plenty back. 
 

These other countries will be able to see the long term benefits, a break would eventually lead to safer routes and more being able to come over. But you don’t want that. Keep coming in the boats boys and girls 

You're getting distracted again mate. This isn't just about sending boats back or how other countries do it. Italy and Greece take more than us per head of population. They're not 'taking a break'. 

How do we go about taking a break for 18months? 

I've never said I'm against safe and legal routes, just explain how your grand idea will work rather than making stuff up. It's not hard. 😆

[Cheese]

11 minutes ago, royal white said:

That’s exactly what the NHS are doing when you tried to be smart in one of your earlier posts. 😂🤤

Genuine question, How do Italy and Greece go about it? They’ve sent plenty back. 
 

These other countries will be able to see the long term benefits, a break would eventually lead to safer routes and more being able to come over. But you don’t want that. Keep coming in the boats boys and girls 

[Winchester White]

If the rest of Europe are getting 5 times our intake, why the fuck will they listen to us whining over far less than them,

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Winchester White said:

If the rest of Europe are getting 5 times our intake, why the fuck will they listen to us whining over far less than them,

You’ve just compared us with a continent 😂

[royal white]

21 minutes ago, Cheese said:

If you read back you will see it’s London who brought up the NHS example

[royal white]

24 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

You're getting distracted again mate. This isn't just about sending boats back or how other countries do it. Italy and Greece take more than us per head of population. They're not 'taking a break'. 

How do we go about taking a break for 18months? 

I've never said I'm against safe and legal routes, just explain how your grand idea will work rather than making stuff up. It's not hard. 😆

Haha so laws aren’t to be adhered to if you take x amount of people in 😂 got ya 👍

 

The grand idea works because we will have infrastructure in place. A safe route (which I know you’re against) for those coming over, faster processing will be achievable because the 10s of thousands already waiting will have been processed. 

[Winchester White]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

You’ve just compared us with a continent 😂

No I didn't. Italy, France and Spain get far more than us, Norway and Sweden less so. Turkey has over 3m refugees. 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

No I didn't. Italy, France and Spain get far more than us, Norway and Sweden less so. Turkey has over 3m refugees. 

Yes you did “The rest of Europe are getting 5 times our intake”

 

And have now gone on to say Norway and Sweden take less…..they’re both in Europe.

[mickbrown]

 

 

[London Wanderer]

17 minutes ago, royal white said:

Haha so laws aren’t to be adhered to if you take x amount of people in 😂 got ya 👍

 

The grand idea works because we will have infrastructure in place. A safe route (which I know you’re against) for those coming over, faster processing will be achievable because the 10s of thousands already waiting will have been processed. 

What the hell are you on about now ? What laws? You really are the queen of tangents eh 😂And where have I said I’m against safe routes? 
 

Yes you’ve told us all your theories for why this grand plan will work. And you’ve told us all how to send the boats back. I’m asking you how we pause asylum claims for 18months & leave the Refugee Convention? 

[Sweep]

I guess this "taking a break" malarky will be in one of the manifestos of the upcoming GE, so will get a chance to vote on it. Let the public decide if its a good idea or not. 

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

What the hell are you on about now ? What laws? You really are the queen of tangents eh 😂And where have I said I’m against safe routes? 
 

Yes you’ve told us all your theories for why this grand plan will work. And you’ve told us all how to send the boats back. I’m asking you how we pause asylum claims for 18months & leave the Refugee Convention? 

The refugee convention prevents you from returning boats to a country where the occupants lives could be at risk, apparently according to you Italy and Greece can do that because they take more than us? 
 

When I told you what I thought the results of a break would be (safer routes, faster processing) you were still against it. 

 

Christ your holiday must be shitter than shit. 
 

Edited August 13, 2023 by royal white

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I guess this "taking a break" malarky will be in one of the manifestos of the upcoming GE, so will get a chance to vote on it. Let the public decide if its a good idea or not. 

Yes like Brexit 

[Spider]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

You don’t need them,  all the nurses and Drs coming over can just work from a tent. 

But Boris pwomised 

[gonzo]

12 minutes ago, royal white said:

The refugee convention prevents you from returning boats to a country where the occupants lives could be at risk, apparently according to you Italy and Greece can do that because they take more than us? 
 

 

 

Is that not becasue they next door?

We cant send boats back through mainland Europe and 16 countries can we...