Politics

[Farrelli]

Whingebag

[PatrickBateman]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Well this aged well. Just to fuck the pensioners up. 
 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rl4rgdj12o.amp

I'd say Cassie is trolling everyone but he might just be the contrarian of Wanderersgays.

Starmer is universally hated, except for a few of the Yoghurt advocates on here.

[PatrickBateman]

37 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Whingebag

Shitbag homo 😘❤️

[BobyBrno]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

Well this aged well. Just to fuck the pensioners up. 
 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rl4rgdj12o.amp

He’ll be loving this. These things used to get discussed on here. Not sure why not now🤷‍♂️

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80l9lde5yjo

[Sweep]

11 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

He’ll be loving this. These things used to get discussed on here. Not sure why not now🤷‍♂️

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80l9lde5yjo

The public finances are fucked - somebody has to suffer, unfortunately, this time it's the old folk. Somebody will always get screwed over, yet for some reason the reaction is magnified as soon as it's pensioners that are mentioned. It's a shame, but whilst we're happy to chuck billions into somebody else's war, that clearly we can't afford, then we will have increased shortfalls in other areas

[BobyBrno]

40 minutes ago, Sweep said:

The public finances are fucked - somebody has to suffer, unfortunately, this time it's the old folk. Somebody will always get screwed over, yet for some reason the reaction is magnified as soon as it's pensioners that are mentioned. It's a shame, but whilst we're happy to chuck billions into somebody else's war, that clearly we can't afford, then we will have increased shortfalls in other areas

Ah righto. I guess we now know the definition of ‘broadest shoulders’

[Sweep]

11 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Ah righto. I guess we now know the definition of ‘broadest shoulders’

This with the broadest shoulders have never taken the burden, no matter who is in power, and they never will. It'll always be the poorest/weakest (for want of a better word) that suffer most in any cost cutting exercise.

I'm also not sure, that as a collective, Pensioners are close to being the poorest or worst off in society to be honest either (of course some will be, but I bet the majority are better off than the majority of 30/40 year olds*)

*I have no proof of this, it's just a feeling based on the circle of people I know, and the place where I live

[BobyBrno]

7 minutes ago, Sweep said:

This with the broadest shoulders have never taken the burden, no matter who is in power, and they never will. It'll always be the poorest/weakest (for want of a better word) that suffer most in any cost cutting exercise.

I'm also not sure, that as a collective, Pensioners are close to being the poorest or worst off in society to be honest either (of course some will be, but I bet the majority are better off than the majority of 30/40 year olds*)

*I have no proof of this, it's just a feeling based on the circle of people I know, and the place where I live

Maybe if you read it you’ll see it was talking about a minority of pensioners. Again, generalising is just diversion. 

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Maybe if you read it you’ll see it was talking about a minority of pensioners. Again, generalising is just diversion. 

I did read the article, I just don't get what all the uproar is about. According to the article we already have 1.9M pensioners living in "relative poverty" this will only add another 50K or so  - of course, still not great, but clearly there is longer term problem, not just created since Labour came into power, that we seem not to have been worried about prior to this benefit being removed. 

I'm certainly not trying to cause any sort of diversion, for the piss poor amount of money (c£1.4B) it's actually going to save, I'm not sure why Labour are sticking to this one, whilst still tipping loads of our money into an utterly pointless war.

Stop supporting Ukraine, and give that money to Pensioners - problem solved

 

 

[Sweep]

13 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Maybe if you read it you’ll see it was talking about a minority of pensioners. Again, generalising is just diversion. 

By the way, I'm certainly not sticking up for Labour, I knew it would be a shit show if they got into power.....and we can thank Johnson, Truss and Sunak for that, sadly.

[Cheese]

9 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Stop supporting Ukraine, and give that money to Pensioners - problem solved

I doubt British pensioners have much use for tanks, missiles and fast jet training.

[BobyBrno]

31 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I did read the article, I just don't get what all the uproar is about. According to the article we already have 1.9M pensioners living in "relative poverty" this will only add another 50K or so  - of course, still not great, but clearly there is longer term problem, not just created since Labour came into power, that we seem not to have been worried about prior to this benefit being removed. 

I'm certainly not trying to cause any sort of diversion, for the piss poor amount of money (c£1.4B) it's actually going to save, I'm not sure why Labour are sticking to this one, whilst still tipping loads of our money into an utterly pointless war.

Stop supporting Ukraine, and give that money to Pensioners - problem solved

 

 

Fair enough. The article states that only 15% (1.9 million) are in that poverty group. It’s that group who will suffer most from the cut in wfp. Some will still get it, most won’t.  The government could have included all those in that poverty group ie. Those under £17,000 income (my estimate) and still saved a lot by not paying for the 85% who are above it. 
Previously, I’ve suggested a figure of £20,000. 

[Sweep]

28 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I doubt British pensioners have much use for tanks, missiles and fast jet training.

I'm not sure I actually suggested giving them any munitions. Are you suggesting that it's not costing us anything to support Ukraine? - would you not rather we looked after our codgers?  

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I'm not sure I actually suggested giving them any munitions. Are you suggesting that it's not costing us anything to support Ukraine? - would you not rather we looked after our codgers?  

No. Should we have turned a blind eye when Germany invaded Poland, and looked after our codgers instead?

[Sweep]

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Fair enough. The article states that only 15% (1.9 million) are in that poverty group. It’s that group who will suffer most from the cut in wfp. Some will still get it, most won’t.  The government could have included all those in that poverty group ie. Those under £17,000 income (my estimate) and still saved a lot by not paying for the 85% who are above it. 
Previously, I’ve suggested a figure of £20,000. 

Sadly, from what I understand, some of those in poverty are possibly entitled to Pension credits, but don't claim them, possibly because it's complicated. That should certainly be sorted out. I'm sure I read that if everybody who was entitled to pension credit claimed it, the money claimed would far outstrip the amount of WFP that won't be paid out this year.

The whole pension system seems to all over the place at the minute, thankfully, within 20/25 years or so, you would hope that it will sort itself out now that employees and employers are obliged to tip into private pensions.

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I did read the article, I just don't get what all the uproar is about. According to the article we already have 1.9M pensioners living in "relative poverty" this will only add another 50K or so  - of course, still not great, but clearly there is longer term problem, not just created since Labour came into power, that we seem not to have been worried about prior to this benefit being removed. 

I'm certainly not trying to cause any sort of diversion, for the piss poor amount of money (c£1.4B) it's actually going to save, I'm not sure why Labour are sticking to this one, whilst still tipping loads of our money into an utterly pointless war.

Stop supporting Ukraine, and give that money to Pensioners - problem solved

 

 

I think they are sticking with it because if you back down on means testing or back down on any policy that is designed to redress some of the tax and benefit imbalances you will end up never being able to actually address them. They started with the right policy but the wrong implementation. They should have announced means testing of WFP at a rate to be agreed by consultation across charities and the like. They wanted to do it quickly so ended up at too low a level. 
 

However, the issue is simple. If you do want to stop just loading more and more tax burden onto what is a decreasing set of ‘working people’ then reducing tax breaks for wealthy pensioners and landowners is exactly what it looks like and in doing that you will ultimately have some people who end up as losers in it. But all the very left wing idiots who scream about wealth taxes or the far right who pretend you can fix everything through efficiency - and the reality is more like this, or alternatively like the last fourteen years of public services dying. There isn’t a magic choice. We either pay for public services somehow - be it everyone pays more tax or some pay more tax or we scrap the lot and tell folk they have to pay for their own schools, hospital treatment etc…you can’t have it both ways. 

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

No. Should we have turned a blind eye when Germany invaded Poland, and looked after our codgers instead?

No, but different times. 

Now NATO is around, he won't threaten us here in the UK - I know you think Russia will come marauding across all of Europe, but they just won't. Ukraine isn't part of NATO.

[Sweep]

5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

There isn’t a magic choice. We either pay for public services somehow - be it everyone pays more tax or some pay more tax or we scrap the lot and tell folk they have to pay for their own schools, hospital treatment etc…you can’t have it both ways. 

This is what needs to happen, but it's political suicide. There are many, many people now who don't pay the correct amount of tax, and until that's addressed, we'll, as a nation, have a problem, especially as the numbers of non working age start to increase massively, as they are doing

[PatrickBateman]

11 minutes ago, Cheese said:

No. Should we have turned a blind eye when Germany invaded Poland, and looked after our codgers instead?

How is that even a comparison? 

You sound happy pensioners are going to struggle through winter, nice one 👍 

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Sweep said:

No, but different times. 

Now NATO is around, he won't threaten us here in the UK - I know you think Russia will come marauding across all of Europe, but they just won't. Ukraine isn't part of NATO.

I suspect you'd have said the same in 1939.

[Cheese]

Just now, PatrickBateman said:

How is that even a comparison? 

You sound happy pensioners are going to struggle through winter, nice one 👍 

Not in the slightest. Why are pensioners more important than everyone else living in poverty?

[PatrickBateman]

Just now, Cheese said:

Not in the slightest. Why are pensioners more important than everyone else living in poverty?

I'd argue they've paid taxes for decades to get fcked over by a government sticking illegals in warm hotels and giving them spending money.

It stinks. Screwing people over who paid into the system to protect those who have paid fck all.

Enough of that, back to trolling. Lose some weight you fat whoppers!! ❤️

[PatrickBateman]

6 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I suspect you'd have said the same in 1939.

😅😅😅😅😅

Your brain has melted.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Sweep said:

This is what needs to happen, but it's political suicide. There are many, many people now who don't pay the correct amount of tax, and until that's addressed, we'll, as a nation, have a problem, especially as the numbers of non working age start to increase massively, as they are doing

Yep should have raised NI for everyone but that would have been as unpopular as you can imagine. 
 

And we have the problems you have identified. Almost all were fixed by our EU membership but now it’s hard to fix them. Every country in the world is facing the same issues though. Health inflation running higher and higher. Declining working populations. Populations who don’t like immigration. And couple that with China, India and everything else. It’s a bit grim. 

[Sweep]

10 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

How is that even a comparison? 

You sound happy pensioners are going to struggle through winter, nice one 👍 

He is, the fear of Russia marauding through Europe and crossing the channel is more of a worry for him