Politics

[Farrelli]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

So you do think he's coming for us. Have you built a bunker?

As an aside, do you think we don't also cyber attack the Russians and the Chinese as well on occasion?

Personally, I'd be a lot more worried about China than Russia

 

I’m not worried about myself but I am for my kids. Nor am I going to change my way of life but that doesn’t mean to say I’m going to waiver in support of our government actions for Ukraine. They need to fully back Zelensky and hope they prevail.

[Whitesince63]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

You also got to buy houses, relatively speaking, for next to fuck all    -  we also hear told of how "the good old days" where so much better, so it can't have been all bad 😉

I didn’t say it was bad Sweep and a house was seen as a home not an investment. If I could go back to the fifties if only for my grandkids I’d do it in a moment. People were kinder, we had communities, we very rarely borrowed just saved up and authorities like the police, teachers, politicians, especially nurses and doctors were respected. We’ve just lost so much of what made us great. Yes you can sneer and think we’re so much better off with our Internet age and borrowing frenzy but you didn’t live it so you can’t know. There will be some oldies who disagree but maybe they had it harder than most of us or have just been brainwashed as the young are these days.

[Farrelli]

39 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Nope. I'm happy with the way we're currently assisting Ukraine, rather than the quisling attitude you take. 

Correct. 

[Farrelli]

4 minutes ago, Sweep said:

why did we not do anything in 2014, when Russia invaded and then annexed Crimea?

Why is this latest spat more important and worthy of our money than in 2014?

A huge error in retrospect and the reason he felt he could attack Ukraine in 2022. We shouldn’t make that mistake again.

[Farrelli]

9 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I've not said if it'll make us more or less safe, it's what I think will happen - what do you think the eventual end game is?

I’ve no idea but we are far less safe if Putin takes any part of Ukraine. Therefore we should back Zelensky and pray that Russia have to back down. Either way Europe is a far less safe place than it was ten years ago. 

[Sweep]

4 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

I didn’t say it was bad Sweep and a house was seen as a home not an investment. If I could go back to the fifties if only for my grandkids I’d do it in a moment. People were kinder, we had communities, we very rarely borrowed just saved up and authorities like the police, teachers, politicians, especially nurses and doctors were respected. We’ve just lost so much of what made us great. Yes you can sneer and think we’re so much better off with our Internet age and borrowing frenzy but you didn’t live it so you can’t know. There will be some oldies who disagree but maybe they had it harder than most of us or have just been brainwashed as the young are these days.

I'm not sneering at all, I grew up in the 70s and 80s, so know how society and community has changed  - those days have gone and are never coming back though. People are greedy, hence the whole change in attitudes to saving and borrowing. It's only going to get worse as well, as money (borrowed) becomes easier and easier to come by due to the likes of Klarna, Clear Pay and various other credit facilities

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

I’ve no idea but we are far less safe if Putin takes any part of Ukraine. Therefore we should back Zelensky and pray that Russia have to back down. Either way Europe is a far less safe place than it was ten years ago. 

Probably, and whilst some will disagree, Russian involvement in Brexit was to try and fragment/destabilise the EU as a block.

If Russia is that bad, and are doing all these things we don't like, maybe we should go on the offensive, which may well happen now that Zelensky is allowed to use the longer range stuff

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

The EU economy is dwarfed by the American economy and that gap is widening,  we need 🇺🇸 

We don’t and won’t have the same level of trade with America. Nor will we be importing workers from there.

Any trade deal with America run by Trump will be to favour America and will only hurt us here. Of course you know that too.

There is no magical economic growth. We need to restore our trade and increase the numbers of people working here. Nothing else beyond that will make any difference. Inspite of what the left/right wingers might claim. 

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said:

 

There is no magical economic growth. We need to restore our trade and increase the numbers of people working here. Nothing else beyond that will make any difference. Inspite of what the left/right wingers might claim. 

We also need to look to increase our productivity levels, as it's pretty piss poor, compared to some of our neighbours. Increasing trade, whilst also ditching a free trade agreement with our nearest market is always going to be a bit of a challenge though....

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Sweep said:

We also need to look to increase our productivity levels, as it's pretty piss poor, compared to some of our neighbours. Increasing trade, whilst also ditching a free trade agreement with our nearest market is always going to be a bit of a challenge though....

Agreed but this is almost entirely down to skills and terrible long term approaches to education and lifelong learning. We keep ripping stuff up and starting again and I think that is a uniquely British thing. 

[Winchester White]

20 minutes ago, Sweep said:

We also need to look to increase our productivity levels, as it's pretty piss poor, compared to some of our neighbours. Increasing trade, whilst also ditching a free trade agreement with our nearest market is always going to be a bit of a challenge though....

Productivity increases require proper infrastructure, social mobility, tech and education. Everything that has been held back by austerity, basically.

[frank_spencer]

Those who love harking back to the good old days are the ones who shout loudest when income tax is increased. In the much beloved 50s and 60s top rate income tax was 90%, before Thatcher it was 80. Her and Major dropped to 40% no wonder theres less money in the government coffers.

[wanderer1984]

On 31/10/2024 at 08:00, bolty58 said:

Impossible. I have been hearing for nearly two decades now about the wonders of diversity and inclusion and the UK's embracing of these. You must be wrong.

According to some of your recent posts, Poland must be on its knees due to its immigration policies?

Quite the opposite ... Far right and all that 🙄

 

 

[Dimron]

5 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Productivity increases require proper infrastructure, social mobility, tech and education. Everything that has been held back by austerity, basically.

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[Zico]

53 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Quite the opposite ... Far right and all that 🙄

 

 

We should go over there and take their jobs

[PatrickBateman]

10 minutes ago, Zico said:

We should go over there and take their jobs

They're not throwing their borders open and inviting the 3rd world in to claim benefits tho?

[Cheese]

Proper Government.

 

[PatrickBateman]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Proper Government.

 

I'm not old to remember British Rail but the government took over Northern Rail in 2020 and my daily commute to Manchester is now more expensive and worse than ever.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, PatrickBateman said:

I'm not old to remember British Rail but the government took over Northern Rail in 2020 and my daily commute to Manchester is now more expensive and worse than ever.

Remind us, who were in Government in 2020? 

[Spider]

7 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

I didn’t say it was bad Sweep and a house was seen as a home not an investment. If I could go back to the fifties if only for my grandkids I’d do it in a moment. People were kinder, we had communities, we very rarely borrowed just saved up and authorities like the police, teachers, politicians, especially nurses and doctors were respected. We’ve just lost so much of what made us great. Yes you can sneer and think we’re so much better off with our Internet age and borrowing frenzy but you didn’t live it so you can’t know. There will be some oldies who disagree but maybe they had it harder than most of us or have just been brainwashed as the young are these days.

I miss scraping frost off the single glazed windows.

#GoodOldDays

[Spider]

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Remind us, who were in Government in 2020? 

“They’re all wankers” will be the response here

[Zico]

29 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

They're not throwing their borders open and inviting the 3rd world in to claim benefits tho?

We can go where we want in Europe

Oh wait 

No we can't

[Winchester White]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

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Quite

[royal white]

1 hour ago, wanderer1984 said:

Quite the opposite ... Far right and all that 🙄

 

 

This is why your welders left @Spider 

[BobyBrno]

13 minutes ago, Zico said:

We can go where we want in Europe

Oh wait 

No we can't

I’ve been to a few places this year. Are you banned?