Politics

[PatrickBateman]

5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Yep should have raised NI for everyone but that would have been as unpopular as you can imagine. 
 

And we have the problems you have identified. Almost all were fixed by our EU membership but now it’s hard to fix them. Every country in the world is facing the same issues though. Health inflation running higher and higher. Declining working populations. Populations who don’t like immigration. And couple that with China, India and everything else. It’s a bit grim. 

What is it with the EU-worshipping and your mob?

The EU are fcked, the Yanks have just elected a guy we all wish we had.

We need to suck up to Trump and our American brethren 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 

[PatrickBateman]

5 minutes ago, Sweep said:

He is, the fear of Russia marauding through Europe and crossing the channel is more of a worry for him 

He's got blue hair and uses the women's bog.

[Cheese]

12 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

I'd argue they've paid taxes for decades to get fcked over by a government sticking illegals in warm hotels and giving them spending money.

It stinks. Screwing people over who paid into the system to protect those who have paid fck all.

Enough of that, back to trolling. Lose some weight you fat whoppers!! ❤️

14 years. 👍

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

What is it with the EU-worshipping and your mob?

The EU are fcked, the Yanks have just elected a guy we all wish we had.

We need to suck up to Trump and our American brethren 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 

Trump will be good for the very richest and disastrous for everyone else. Like last time. Only worse because all the grown ups realized the man was a complete authoritarian loon. 
 

In the EU businesses could import cheap labour - much of which was transient. Poles. Eastern Europeans. Came, did jobs helped economy and a lot didn’t stay forever.

Now we are having to import 800,000 a year plus from India, Middle East and Africa. And they mostly come here for good. And all our growth is entirely built on growing the numbers working. Not sure if you’ve looked at birth charts but outside of the EU immigration is only going to get higher and higher. Or we all become poorer. 
 

 

Edited November 20, 2024 by bwfcfan5

[Cheese]

10 minutes ago, Sweep said:

He is, the fear of Russia marauding through Europe and crossing the channel is more of a worry for him 

Nope. I'm happy with the way we're currently assisting Ukraine, rather than the quisling attitude you take. 

[Sweep]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Nope. I'm happy with the way we're currently assisting Ukraine, rather than the quisling attitude you take. 

Blimey

Anyway, we just view it differently, you have your thoughts and I have mine. I'd much rather we didn't get involved, and you want us to. If the Russian tanks had gone in the other direction and rolled into Mongolia, would you still want us to assist? 

[PatrickBateman]

6 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Nope. I'm happy with the way we're currently assisting Ukraine, rather than the quisling attitude you take. 

Let's throw our money at a war they can't win.

Great logic.

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Blimey

Anyway, we just view it differently, you have your thoughts and I have mine. I'd much rather we didn't get involved, and you want us to. If the Russian tanks had gone in the other direction and rolled into Mongolia, would you still want us to assist? 

Yep. But they haven't, so let's stick to reality.

[Guest]

The money we are spending to help Ukraine defend herself against Russia is a pittance compared to the defence spending we will need should Russia take Ukraine and think the might match into other countries.

The idea that Ukraine money would be used for non defence budget is ridiculous.

We have a commitment to increase defence spending - something Trump will demand no doubt - but no way to pay for it. 

[PatrickBateman]

19 minutes ago, Cheese said:

14 years. 👍

You lost me?

I'm a bit if a thick cunt 🤪 

[PatrickBateman]

18 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Trump will be good for the very richest and disastrous for everyone else. Like last time. Only worse because all the grown ups realized the man was a complete authoritarian loon. 
 

In the EU businesses could import cheap labour - much of which was transient. Poles. Eastern Europeans. Came, did jobs helped economy and a lot didn’t stay forever.

Now we are having to import 800,000 a year plus from India, Middle East and Africa. And they mostly come here for good. And all our growth is entirely built on growing the numbers working. Not sure if you’ve looked at birth charts but outside of the EU immigration is only going to get higher and higher. Or we all become poorer. 
 

 

The EU economy is dwarfed by the American economy and that gap is widening,  we need 🇺🇸 

[Farrelli]

48 minutes ago, Sweep said:

No, but different times. 

Now NATO is around, he won't threaten us here in the UK - I know you think Russia will come marauding across all of Europe, but they just won't. Ukraine isn't part of NATO.

That is really naive. 

[Zico]

no one gave a fuck about pensioners when they wanted to get the pubs back open and crack on during lockdown

what's changed?

[PatrickBateman]

3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The money we are spending to help Ukraine defend herself against Russia is a pittance compared to the defence spending we will need should Russia take Ukraine and think the might match into other countries.

The idea that Ukraine money would be used for non defence budget is ridiculous.

We have a commitment to increase defence spending - something Trump will demand no doubt - but no way to pay for it. 

You're paranoid to the extreme, as if Russia are playing Command & Conquer with Trump on the other end of the blower.

Why have the left wing turned into war hawks? You're supposed to be the peaceful side

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

That is really naive. 

So you think that Russia is coming for us eventually?

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, Zico said:

no one gave a fuck about pensioners when they wanted to get the pubs back open and crack on during lockdown

what's changed?

At the time, it wasn't a stick to beat Labour with. Sadly, it seems, some folk still can't get over the fact that the Conservatives lost the last election

[Whitesince63]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

This with the broadest shoulders have never taken the burden, no matter who is in power, and they never will. It'll always be the poorest/weakest (for want of a better word) that suffer most in any cost cutting exercise.

I'm also not sure, that as a collective, Pensioners are close to being the poorest or worst off in society to be honest either (of course some will be, but I bet the majority are better off than the majority of 30/40 year olds*)

*I have no proof of this, it's just a feeling based on the circle of people I know, and the place where I live

Of course the average pensioner is better off than the average 30 to 40 year old, we’ve had twice as long to earn it and earn it we did not getting half the benefit pay outs this lazy, entitled mob get now. Pensioners struggled to put money into a mortgage, pay into a pension as well as paying taxes and putting kids through school. We also suffered through much worse recessions than any 30 to 40 years olds have seen, 3 day weeks, high unemployment, negative equity on property and mortgage rates of 20%. We learned how to save, make do and we didn’t mind hand me downs instead of designer labels so maybe we deserve to be better off?

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

You're paranoid to the extreme, as if Russia are playing Command & Conquer with Trump on the other end of the blower.

Why have the left wing turned into war hawks? You're supposed to be the peaceful side

Wait until Trump tells Russia they can keep what they already have, and tells Ukraine they just have to suck it up. There will be some moaning on here then.

[Farrelli]

Just now, Sweep said:

So you think that Russia is coming for us eventually?

They have already been on UK territory and killed our civilians. They already cyber attack us regularly. They have sent warships around our coasts recently doing testing. Putin would have no qualms about escalating with us if he wanted. We are in NATO but he doesn't think the support will hold from the US and any appeasement will just empower him further.

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Of course the average pensioner is better off than the average 30 to 40 year old, we’ve had twice as long to earn it and earn it we did not getting half the benefit pay outs this lazy, entitled mob get now. Pensioners struggled to put money into a mortgage, pay into a pension as well as paying taxes and putting kids through school. We also suffered through much worse recessions than any 30 to 40 years olds have seen, 3 day weeks, high unemployment, negative equity on property and mortgage rates of 20%. We learned how to save, make do and we didn’t mind hand me downs instead of designer labels so maybe we deserve to be better off?

You also got to buy houses, relatively speaking, for next to fuck all    -  we also hear told of how "the good old days" where so much better, so it can't have been all bad 😉

[Farrelli]

3 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Wait until Trump tells Russia they can keep what they already have, and tells Ukraine they just have to suck it up. There will be some moaning on here then.

Well if you think that outcome will make us safer you must be a moonman

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

They have already been on UK territory and killed our civilians. They already cyber attack us regularly. They have sent warships around our coasts recently doing testing. Putin would have no qualms about escalating with us if he wanted. We are in NATO but he doesn't think the support will hold from the US and any appeasement will just empower him further.

So you do think he's coming for us. Have you built a bunker?

As an aside, do you think we don't also cyber attack the Russians and the Chinese as well on occasion?

Personally, I'd be a lot more worried about China than Russia

 

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Well if you think that outcome will make us safer you must be a moonman

I've not said if it'll make us more or less safe, it's what I think will happen - what do you think the eventual end game is?

[Farrelli]

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/director-general-ken-mccallum-gives-latest-threat-update
 

If you think we are just getting excited about nothing then listen to the warning from MI5 recently. Intelligence have warned that Russia are about to hire proxies to bring havoc to the UK. The threat is real and appeasement is not an option.

[Sweep]

5 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Well if you think that outcome will make us safer you must be a moonman

why did we not do anything in 2014, when Russia invaded and then annexed Crimea?

Why is this latest spat more important and worthy of our money than in 2014?