Politics

[bolty58]

47 minutes ago, Zico said:

So can I just turn up and start working there and stay, like they used to do here back in the 00s? 

It's all hypothetical because I'm not going to 

But if you can it's as good as it sounds in that link it sounds like there are some great opportunities for those inclined to take a punt

I was under the impression you couldn't and needed visas and permits and all that red tape shite 

That is not what you said.

[Zico]

29 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

That is not what you said.

Well ok when I said 

We can go where we want in Europe

It was in the context of living and working as it was following on from my previous post in response to PB which said 

We should go over there and take their jobs

I appreciate being fragmented over two posts it was easy to miss the point

[PatrickBateman]

11 hours ago, Spider said:

Why do you keep calling people fat?

Are you fat?

😅😅

Absolutely no idea what you look like!

No, I'm fucking sexy ❤️

[PatrickBateman]

11 minutes ago, Zico said:

Well ok when I said 

We can go where we want in Europe

It was in the context of living and working as it was following on from my previous post in response to PB which said 

We should go over there and take their jobs

I appreciate being fragmented over two posts it was easy to miss the point

Don't drag me into this, you cried after Brexit and we all know it.

[Zico]

10 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

Don't drag me into this, you cried after Brexit and we all know it.

I remember at the time being more upset losing to Iceland 

[Whitesince63]

19 hours ago, Sweep said:

I'm not sneering at all, I grew up in the 70s and 80s, so know how society and community has changed  - those days have gone and are never coming back though. People are greedy, hence the whole change in attitudes to saving and borrowing. It's only going to get worse as well, as money (borrowed) becomes easier and easier to come by due to the likes of Klarna, Clear Pay and various other credit facilities

I think the big change came in the 60s as society broke down and the drug culture engrained itself then continued to spread into the 70s and 80s as the country recovered from the war years. Despite all the technological advances which have undoubtedly benefitted us today I just think society in general has gone way backwards. As you say it’s only going to get worse but it’s just so sad to me that we’re allowing it to. 

[Whitesince63]

19 hours ago, Sweep said:

We also need to look to increase our productivity levels, as it's pretty piss poor, compared to some of our neighbours. Increasing trade, whilst also ditching a free trade agreement with our nearest market is always going to be a bit of a challenge though....

We’re actually doing more trade with the EU than we were before so deals with the USA and other growing nations is surely more beneficial to aligning ourselves with a failing market like the EU? Free of EU constraints we can do both which was the whole point of leaving surely?

[PatrickBateman]

Just now, Whitesince63 said:

I think the big change came in the 60s as society broke down and the drug culture engrained itself then continued to spread into the 70s and 80s as the country recovered from the war years. Despite all the technological advances which have undoubtedly benefitted us today I just think society in general has gone way backwards. As you say it’s only going to get worse but it’s just so sad to me that we’re allowing it to. 

As a kid in the 80's my mum would practically lock us out for the day, I'd come home for food and then back to Cinders Park (Mick knows where that is) until it went dark.

Nowadays would I fuck let my kid out like that.

The 90's as a teenager was fcking mental, dropping acid and drinking on the streets round Halliwell in the midst of a heroin epidemic. Great days.

[Whitesince63]

15 hours ago, frank_spencer said:

Those who love harking back to the good old days are the ones who shout loudest when income tax is increased. In the much beloved 50s and 60s top rate income tax was 90%, before Thatcher it was 80. Her and Major dropped to 40% no wonder theres less money in the government coffers.

Income tax rates were much more complicated than that in the 50s and 60s and the rates you’re quoting were supertax sates which only the mega rich paid whilst the vast majority actually paid little tax at all. You’ve also got to remember that we’d just come out of a world war and the country was effectively bankrupt and in some ways you could compare with our position now through Covid. However you look at it, costs were much lower during those decades and most money was spent on food and clothing. People didn’t borrow like they do today as we had no technology, coffee shops or fancy cars to buy to keep up with the Jones’s. People’s expectations are just so much higher today but for me it has come at the cost of happiness, mental health and civility.

[Guest]

I think most of these political movements are driven by nostalgia and dislike of change and these posts just exemplify it. Everything was great ‘at some random point’ in time - usually before said person was born or when they were a child and not yet exposed to reality.

I guess the 1950’s were fantastic for example if you ignore all the institutionalised nonceing that took place and was covered up and hidden. The rationing and extreme poverty. You might not want to leave your kids to play out now but in the 90’s you wouldn’t want to leave them with a football coach. Only nobody talked about it. 
 

Times and societies change. It’s why the far left talk absolute economic hogwash and the right who used to at least have sound economic free market growth theories now ignore all economic reality. All people care about is political identity nonsense which is just a fight over who has the best period of nostalgia to draw upon. 

Edited November 21, 2024 by bwfcfan5

[Ani]

Anyway - Aussies banning kids from Social Media.

 

Seems a good idea but surely impossible to police. I would get rid of it all @bwfcfan5talks about nostalgia but very little has been improved by Social Media. 

[Cheese]

Ofwat actually doing their job for a change. Excellent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly0pjedj0zo

[wakey]

30 minutes ago, Ani said:

Anyway - Aussies banning kids from Social Media.

 

Seems a good idea but surely impossible to police. I would get rid of it all @bwfcfan5talks about nostalgia but very little has been improved by Social Media. 

At least these days we can type "Evatt is shit" on here and not have to graffiti the buses.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Ofwat actually doing their job for a change. Excellent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly0pjedj0zo

Appalling. Those commie ofwat bastards need to understand these bonuses are essential as these rich individuals employ everyone…or something like that. 

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Ani said:

Anyway - Aussies banning kids from Social Media.

 

Seems a good idea but surely impossible to police. I would get rid of it all @bwfcfan5talks about nostalgia but very little has been improved by Social Media. 

I don’t use it. It’s awful. I completely agree. Ban the lot of it. It was good for connection initially and bringing communities together. But like most things has been corrupted through the pursuit of wealth. 

[royal white]

Just quietly going about doing their job.

🥶

 

 

 

[BobyBrno]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1978744/keir-starmer-labour-election-lies/amp
 

😉

[Tonge moor green jacket]

34 minutes ago, royal white said:

Just quietly going about doing their job.

🥶

 

 

 

In fairness, they're separate issues.

Ofgem responding to energy markets.

As for GB energy- well we'll just have to see. If it works, great, but I won't hold my breath.

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, royal white said:

Just quietly going about doing their job.

🥶

 

 

 

Bills are lower than they were for comparable months last year. Which is surely the metric to use not month to month seasonal fluctuation?
 

Im also completely confident that in 5 years bills will be lower. And also that you won’t mention it once. 

[Cheese]

47 minutes ago, royal white said:

Just quietly going about doing their job.

🥶

 

 

 

They've had 4 and a half months. You were still defending the Tory shitshow after 14 years.

[royal white]

Just now, Cheese said:

They've had 4 and a half months. You were still defending the Tory shitshow after 14 years.

And see BBs  link for the lies in that time. Quite the achievement. 👏🏻

 

10 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Bills are lower than they were for comparable months last year. Which is surely the metric to use not month to month seasonal fluctuation?
 

Im also completely confident that in 5 years bills will be lower. And also that you won’t mention it once. 

Aghhh so month on month comparables Are only to be used when a different party are in power. Got ya 👍

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

And see BBs  link for the lies in that time. Quite the achievement. 👏🏻

The same point applies.

[bolty58]

53 minutes ago, royal white said:

And see BBs  link for the lies in that time. Quite the achievement. 👏🏻

 

Aghhh so month on month comparables Are only to be used when a different party are in power. Got ya 👍

Just as long as Rachels strap on is red the usual suspects won't mind being fucked in the arse by her rather than receiving the gifts she promised.

This kind of shit repeats monotonously every time they are elected. Let them learn the hard way.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Bills are lower than they were for comparable months last year. Which is surely the metric to use not month to month seasonal fluctuation?
 

Im also completely confident that in 5 years bills will be lower. And also that you won’t mention it once. 

Again, by Ofgem reflecting markets.

Parties using this is daft. 

World prices; conflicts, opec production etc all contribute. 

Not sure the drive into renewables will be complete within 5 years, and I can't see green levies being taken away any time soon. (I'd like to see some now applied to gas, and reduced on electricity). On that basis, we still won't be energy independent, and prices will still be affected by events beyond our shores.

In 5 years- maybe they will be lower, maybe they will be higher. If the conflict escalates, it may all be irrelevant. 

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Again, by Ofgem reflecting markets.

Parties using this is daft. 

World prices; conflicts, opec production etc all contribute. 

Not sure the drive into renewables will be complete within 5 years, and I can't see green levies being taken away any time soon. (I'd like to see some now applied to gas, and reduced on electricity). On that basis, we still won't be energy independent, and prices will still be affected by events beyond our shores.

In 5 years- maybe they will be lower, maybe they will be higher. If the conflict escalates, it may all be irrelevant. 

On the first point yep. It’s nonsense. Perhaps reflects the standards of politics.

On the second point yes I don’t think we will be full renewable but the point is that it’s common sense that driving towards our own renewable generation is a must as it removes our dependency on global oil and gas prices. And whilst we don’t know it will be cheaper (who knows where oil and gas are then) in 5 years I suspect there is a decent chance.