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[Sweep]

When she loses this next vote, I can see an extension to Article 50 becoming a real prospect - now that would be ridiculous

[bwfcfan5]

10 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I also can’t see her losing a vote of no confidence, it needs a huge swing, I think.

it’s going to be interesting, for sure.

It doesn't need a huge swing. And there are 60 plus Tories who forced her into the delay A50 vote..who I assume would vote against her IF she is seen to be "kicking the can" again.

Only need 10 to vote the other way....

[bwfcfan5]

5 minutes ago, Sweep said:

When she loses this next vote, I can see an extension to Article 50 becoming a real prospect - now that would be ridiculous

IF she loses then an extension is a virtual certainty given she has committed to a "no deal" vote then an "extension vote". 

[Mounts Kipper]

It seems she will ask parliament to vote on whether they will agree to vote for the deal with a tweak to the back stop this is at the behest of the EU who said if she can get that through parliament then its likely the EU will make the required change to the backstop. 

Edited March 11, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

IF she loses then an extension is a virtual certainty given she has committed to a "no deal" vote then an "extension vote". 

Non binding

 

just like the referendum 

[bwfcfan5]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It seems she will ask parliament to vote on whether they will agree to vote for the deal with a tweak to the back stop this is at the behest of the EU who said if she can get that through parliament then its likely the EU will make the required change to the backstop. 

That is just made up. She might be blindly hoping the EU will make such a change but she's spent the past two weeks trying to achieve such a change following a parliamentary vote to show such a change would be a success....and failed.

She discussed parliamentary plans with Juncker...but that's it. 

[bwfcfan5]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

Non binding

 

just like the referendum 

The outcome is binding on her. The EU don't have to grant it and then we'd need to pass any granted extension into law - but the no deal and extension votes would compel the government to act in that way - just not change the legal position until further legislation passed. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

That is just made up. She might be blindly hoping the EU will make such a change but she's spent the past two weeks trying to achieve such a change following a parliamentary vote to show such a change would be a success....and failed.

She discussed parliamentary plans with Juncker...but that's it. 

She has no interest in negotiating anything further with them, and vice versa.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The outcome is binding on her. The EU don't have to grant it and then we'd need to pass any granted extension into law - but the no deal and extension votes would compel the government to act in that way - just not change the legal position until further legislation passed. 

It isn’t binding on the government 

[deane koontz]

When are we getting these new brexit passports anyway? My current one is due to expire.

[Mounts Kipper]

14 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

That is just made up. She might be blindly hoping the EU will make such a change but she's spent the past two weeks trying to achieve such a change following a parliamentary vote to show such a change would be a success....and failed.

She discussed parliamentary plans with Juncker...but that's it. 

That is the plan being discussed, Mays deal with Cox amendment and and was discussed with Juncker last night. 

[bwfcfan5]

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

That is the plan being discussed, Mays deal with Cox amendment and and was discussed with Juncker last night. 

Right wing journalists are even spinning this as a "desperate hope" rather than expectation. But the most balanced journalists reckon plan is to simply try and avoid a defeat on meaningful vote whilst simultaneously not being brought down in a no-confidence vote...this is nothing but self preservation but looks like time has run out. 

[Sweep]

12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

That is the plan being discussed, Mays deal with Cox amendment and and was discussed with Juncker last night. 

Do you reckon the vote will pass when it's held then? - so we can crack on and actually set about leaving at the end of the month

Edited March 11, 2019 by Sweep

[MickyD]

Didn't May go through a vote of no confidence recently? Don't think another one can go through within 12 months.

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Didn't May go through a vote of no confidence recently? Don't think another one can go through within 12 months.

It can't, so she'd have to resign.....and I think she's too stubborn to do that

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

When she loses this next vote, I can see an extension to Article 50 becoming a real prospect - now that would be ridiculous

Especially if this happens: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6793499/EU-charge-Britain-1billion-month-Brexit-delay.html

 

(which it won't, it'll just be the DM trying to cause a shit storm as usual)

[bwfcfan5]

10 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Didn't May go through a vote of no confidence recently? Don't think another one can go through within 12 months.

She went through one via her party and one via parliament....party ones are limited to every 12 months.

Parliamentary ones are whenever the leader of the opposition calls for one and either the government accepts or the speaker decides such a vote should take place....there is no time limit. 

[Mounts Kipper]

5 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Do you reckon the vote will pass when it's held then? - so we can crack on and actually set about leaving at the end of the month

I would doubt it. 

[Salford Trotter]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It seems she will ask parliament to vote on whether they will agree to vote for the deal with a tweak to the back stop this is at the behest of the EU who said if she can get that through parliament then its likely the EU will make the required change to the backstop. 

I've been away for a few days so not kept up to speed with developments, where did you read that the EU would acquiesce on the backstop Mounts? 

[bwfcfan5]

Just now, Salford Trotter said:

I've been away for a few days so not kept up to speed with developments, where did you read that the EU would acquiesce on the backstop Mounts? 

I'm pretty sure its made up....even the Pro-May Sun lot are calling it a "hopeful wish" that the EU would change their mind at their March council meeting....

[Salford Trotter]

22 minutes ago, Sweep said:

It can't, so she'd have to resign.....and I think she's too stubborn to do that

She'll have to go if an election is the only option to break the deadlock

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Salford Trotter said:

She'll have to go if an election is the only option to break the deadlock

She's already said she won't stand at the next election.

It wouldn't overly surprise me if she went tomorrow should the votes not go her way.

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I'm pretty sure its made up....even the Pro-May Sun lot are calling it a "hopeful wish" that the EU would change their mind at their March council meeting....

Another Mounts in a "making stuff up" shocker? 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Another Mounts in a "making stuff up" shocker? 

It is currently on the BBC, not that they are terribly trustworthy, mind!

[Salford Trotter]

Just now, boltondiver said:

It is currently on the BBC, not that they are terribly trustworthy, mind!

Well i would welcome bringing this whole debacle to a swift conclusion if that is the case and let's get on with the tough part of negotiating the trade deal.