Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 20, 2019 1 hour ago, kent_white said: And totally the wrong choice of speaker when you're trying to build a concensus. A million people switched off because they've heard Emma Thompson is involved and so therefore it's a lefty, middle class type problem. I don't mind who speaks. So long as they make sense and a good point. Unfortunately, whenever I seen her, she's always been very political and critical. Need to see people who will be pushy, informative but who are looking to bring folk onside and build a concensus. I heard one radio presenter talking to someone the other day, and she asked the guest " do people see this as middle class folk just having a protest" or words to that effect. I was a bit surprised, because I'm not aware that folk do feel that way. There are folk from all walks becoming more aware and concerned. Similarly there are people from all walks that just don't give a shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 700 arrests so far Met police overrun Lets hope we don’t see an opportunistic terrorist incident using this as a decoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: 700 arrests so far Met police overrun Lets hope we don’t see an opportunistic terrorist incident using this as a decoy As they like being Superglued to things, just leave them where they are. Wait while it starts raining, or the train starts up. Might think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted April 21, 2019 Members Share Posted April 21, 2019 Said to the missus yesterday, shame the weather is so nice in London. A fucking good downpour and the only problem left would be the superglued ones who I would then leave there for at least a fortneet. Perhaps provide piles of rotting vegetables so the passers by who these cunts have inconvenienced can experience what it was like back in medieval times with the stocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 I'm broadly in favour of people coming together to work on the global issues. I don't neccessarily trust the political aims of this lot and the aim of net zero emissions by 2025 doesn't seem possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 56 minutes ago, boltondiver said: I'm broadly in favour of people coming together to work on the global issues. I don't neccessarily trust the political aims of this lot and the aim of net zero emissions by 2025 doesn't seem possible. It's apolitical by design. It's got to be. https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 21, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 21, 2019 39 minutes ago, kent_white said: It's apolitical by design. It's got to be. https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/ Seems fair enough. Just not sure the followers always remain that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 1 hour ago, kent_white said: It's apolitical by design. It's got to be. https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/ Here’s hoping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Reading about one of the founders, Robin Boardman; he sounds exactly the kind of person some would expect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Richard Basden https://www.resilience.org/stories/2019-01-16/extinction-rebellion-isnt-about-the-climate/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 21, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 21, 2019 2 hours ago, boltondiver said: Richard Basden https://www.resilience.org/stories/2019-01-16/extinction-rebellion-isnt-about-the-climate/ Fucking hell. What a waste of carbon atoms that mon sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted April 21, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 21, 2019 Whilst I get the "science" behind these climate changes; Carbon Dioxide emissions, etc., don't major catastrophic events happen in long cycles? Ice age and stuff like that. How do we know that, despite our self-destruct abilities, it was happening anyway and we're just coming into a new "warmer-than-normal-age"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted April 21, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 21, 2019 1 hour ago, MickyD said: Whilst I get the "science" behind these climate changes; Carbon Dioxide emissions, etc., don't major catastrophic events happen in long cycles? Ice age and stuff like that. How do we know that, despite our self-destruct abilities, it was happening anyway and we're just coming into a new "warmer-than-normal-age"? Exactly. Why even bother trying to reduce pollution and use cleaner energy? It could all just be a waste of effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted April 22, 2019 Members Share Posted April 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Fucking hell. What a waste of carbon atoms that mon sounds. Through all of his left wing diatribe, the point which leaps off the page is that he "lives a frugal life off his savings so that he doesn't have to work". Tells us all we need to know. Another fucktard who would have us living by candlelight in mud huts if he had his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted April 22, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2019 7 hours ago, MickyD said: Whilst I get the "science" behind these climate changes; Carbon Dioxide emissions, etc., don't major catastrophic events happen in long cycles? Ice age and stuff like that. How do we know that, despite our self-destruct abilities, it was happening anyway and we're just coming into a new "warmer-than-normal-age"? 6 hours ago, Cheese said: Exactly. Why even bother trying to reduce pollution and use cleaner energy? It could all just be a waste of effort. I wasn't thinking "Why bother?" I was thinking maybe it's a dawning of a new age. Do all we can to prevent the inevitable but, maybe not in our lifetimes, realise that no amount of money being thrown at reversing the ecology makes any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 44 minutes ago, MickyD said: I wasn't thinking "Why bother?" I was thinking maybe it's a dawning of a new age. Do all we can to prevent the inevitable but, maybe not in our lifetimes, realise that no amount of money being thrown at reversing the ecology makes any difference. There's a possibility that it could be part of a natural cycle, but that's massively, massively unlikely - especially when you view it in the context of the rapid change of the past 30 - 40 years. We understand previous cycles of warming and cooling pretty well. So unless there's some previously misunderstood mechanism for the changes we're going through now - then it's our fault sadly. We understand emissions and global warming so well that anybody arguing that it's a natural cycle would need to explain why the amount of emissions human beings are producing ISN'T causing a greenhouse effect. Plus they'd have to come up with a reasonable hypothesis that explains the phenomenon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted April 22, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, kent_white said: There's a possibility that it could be part of a natural cycle, but that's massively, massively unlikely - especially when you view it in the context of the rapid change of the past 30 - 40 years. We understand previous cycles of warming and cooling pretty well. So unless there's some previously misunderstood mechanism for the changes we're going through now - then it's our fault sadly. We understand emissions and global warming so well that anybody arguing that it's a natural cycle would need to explain why the amount of emissions human beings are producing ISN'T causing a greenhouse effect. Plus they'd have to come up with a reasonable hypothesis that explains the phenomenon. Just for clarity, I'm not "arguing that it's a natural cycle" I'm questioning the likelihood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, MickyD said: Just for clarity, I'm not "arguing that it's a natural cycle" I'm questioning the likelihood. In that case - its extremely unlikely. We've spent the last 40 years having to have arguments like this. It's part of the reason we've not got very far. I can link to some decent articles about it if you're interested? This one's a good place to start..... https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2017/04/04/how-we-know-climate-change-is-not-natural/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 22, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2019 It's the unprecedented speed of change that the concern, and the indicator that it's not purely a natural cycle. Magnetic polar shifts are a natural phenomenon that could really bugger up the planet, but there's not much we can do about that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: It's the unprecedented speed of change that the concern, and the indicator that it's not purely a natural cycle. Magnetic polar shifts are a natural phenomenon that could really bugger up the planet, but there's not much we can do about that! The one I'm most worried about is a CME like the Carrington Event. We'd be fucked instantly. And that really is a matter of when not if. Cheery thread this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted April 22, 2019 Members Share Posted April 22, 2019 2 hours ago, kent_white said: There's a possibility that it could be part of a natural cycle, but that's massively, massively unlikely - especially when you view it in the context of the rapid change of the past 30 - 40 years. We understand previous cycles of warming and cooling pretty well. So unless there's some previously misunderstood mechanism for the changes we're going through now - then it's our fault sadly. We understand emissions and global warming so well that anybody arguing that it's a natural cycle would need to explain why the amount of emissions human beings are producing ISN'T causing a greenhouse effect. Plus they'd have to come up with a reasonable hypothesis that explains the phenomenon. See, this is where I have a major problem with all these doom mongers. As previously advised, don't get me wrong - plastic pollution killing marine life; water conservation for an ever increasing population; harnessing the power of the sun rather than burning fossil fuels etc., I am completely on board with it all. The highlighted bit however, with the utmost respect, is pure bunkum. Only just over two hundred years ago we were harnessing the power of steam. Weather pattern records only commenced in 1880. The earth is over 4.5 billion years old so to suggest that we fully understand weather cycles from only the pin prick of time we have been taking notice is folly of the highest order IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 We haven’t burned any coal since Thursday, which is nice. First time since the industrial revolution, apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 54 minutes ago, bolty58 said: See, this is where I have a major problem with all these doom mongers. As previously advised, don't get me wrong - plastic pollution killing marine life; water conservation for an ever increasing population; harnessing the power of the sun rather than burning fossil fuels etc., I am completely on board with it all. The highlighted bit however, with the utmost respect, is pure bunkum. Only just over two hundred years ago we were harnessing the power of steam. Weather pattern records only commenced in 1880. The earth is over 4.5 billion years old so to suggest that we fully understand weather cycles from only the pin prick of time we have been taking notice is folly of the highest order IMO. We can. It's called Palaeoclimatology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 22, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, kent_white said: We can. It's called Palaeoclimatology. Looking back through ice and rock samples to analyse chemical and biological composition? Illustrative of changes iirc. With regards to cme- we'd just need to put Ken in a rocket ship and place it in the way. Nowt sticks to him and he deflects everything so we'd be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 This kind of thing gives one the opportunity to reflect http://www.derrickjensen.org/2017/04/world-better-because-you-were-born/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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