Climate Change

[tyldesley_white]

22 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Saudi oil will dry up in the next few decades hence their switch to other interests.

 

I doubt it they have as of this year proven oil reserves of 266.3 billion barrel , of which they pump 10 million day, ( rough math's that's just over 70 years) and that is of course if they don't find any more in that time .

And if you think they have lot take a peak at Venezuela who are top dog at 303 billion and the Americans you are getting all exited about their oil ( you have to laugh) come in at #10 in the world with a whopping 42 billion, must really piss the yanks of because Canada is 3rd with 167.4 billion, and the UK are not in the top 30.

[miamiwhite]

10 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

I doubt it they have as of this year proven oil reserves of 266.3 billion barrel , of which they pump 10 million day, ( rough math's that's just over 70 years) and that is of course if they don't find any more in that time .

And if you think they have lot take a peak at Venezuela who are top dog at 303 billion and the Americans you are getting all exited about their oil ( you have to laugh) come in at #10 in the world with a whopping 42 billion, must really piss the yanks of because Canada is 3rd with 167.4 billion, and the UK are not in the top 30.

Pretty sure there’s an article which says it dries up for the Saudis long before Venezuela’s does.

Actually pretty sure I posted that article a few hundred pages back on here

I’ll bow to your superior knowledge as you’re connected in that field if I remember rightly ?

Spot on re the Canadian one, I made a nice earner on one a while ago there.

 

[MalcolmW]

1 hour ago, SatanGreavsie said:

Orangutans are smart, so why not put them in charge of the palm oil business? That way everyone's a winner!

Who knows, as they progress some orange looking ape with funny hair could even become president - unlikely as it sounds.

 

I knew a student who went on to become a world expert on orangutans. He could do an amazing impersonation in the shower area.

Also he was the grandson of a former Prime Minister.

[buckhurstwhite]

1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

I was of the understanding that electricity doesn’t travel well, certainly not in a cost effective way 

I.e a Saudi solar farm would be able to service that region but that’s about it. They certainly couldn’t export it to the U.K. say 

might be wrong

You're not wrong all to do with voltage drop and watt losses over long distances. Won't be importing solar leccy from Saudi anytime soon.

[tyldesley_white]

30 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Pretty sure there’s an article which says it dries up for the Saudis long before Venezuela’s does.

Actually pretty sure I posted that article a few hundred pages back on here

I’ll bow to your superior knowledge as you’re connected in that field if I remember rightly ?

Spot on re the Canadian one, I made a nice earner on one a while ago there.

 

Well seeing Venezuela as more  and at the present moment will be lucky to pump 1 million a day then yes the Saudis it will run out first.  

 

The Saudis are being very clever at the moment , they buying up petro-chem company's and facility's ( SABIC in there own country) around the world, they will start to produce all the raw material for all sorts of hydro carbon products

Yes I work in the oil and gas sector, mainly offshore facility's but on the odd occasion get stuck on onshore oil and gas projects so I do try and keep abreast of them both

[miamiwhite]

8 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

Well seeing Venezuela as more  and at the present moment will be lucky to pump 1 million a day then yes the Saudis it will run out first.  

 

The Saudis are being very clever at the moment , they buying up petro-chem company's and facility's ( SABIC in there own country) around the world, they will start to produce all the raw material for all sorts of hydro carbon products

Yes I work in the oil and gas sector, mainly offshore facility's but on the odd occasion get stuck on onshore oil and gas projects so I do try and keep abreast of them both

Nice one, what’s your thoughts on the Nigerian oil fields ? Especially around the Delta and Ororo field ?

Decent or too much of a gamble ?

[tyldesley_white]

5 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Nice one, what’s your thoughts on the Nigerian oil fields ? Especially around the Delta and Ororo field ?

Decent or too much of a gamble ?

I know where it is and how to get it out, to trade in it I know next to fuck all ... you may what to keep an eye on  Mozambique they keep find shit loads there and they just found some of the coast of Senegal too (Exxon I Think).

[gonzo]

this guy is spot on. 

Nothing will change though. It never does till it has to. 

See the global economic crash during the late 00’s for details. 

Will take people to actually die and cuddly species to become extinct before any of the top dogs even think about making any more than a token reform. 

Nobody gives a fuck unless it’s on their own doorstep. The great big fracking debate being a prime example of this. Villages, comunties abd green belt land decimated to make a few quid. But it’s ok as it’s not on my street. 

  

 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

this guy is spot on. 

Nothing will change though. It never does till it has to. 

See the global economic crash during the late 00’s for details. 

Will take people to actually die and cuddly species to become extinct before any of the top dogs even think about making any more than a token reform. 

Nobody gives a fuck unless it’s on their own doorstep. The great big fracking debate being a prime example of this. Villages, comunties abd green belt land decimated to make a few quid. But it’s ok as it’s not on my street. 

Exactly.

[birch-chorley]

For some balance, let’s take a few minutes to recognise the good work that has been done by the U.K. to tackle climate change...

Reduced our CO2 immissions by 40% since 1990, we now produce less CO2 than we did in 1900! The target as part of the Paris Climate change agreement is to get that to 80% by 2050, which will mean we are Carbon neutral as a country, we are half way there then 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47121399

Increased recycling levels from 10% in the year 2000 to 45% today 

https://deframedia.blog.gov.uk/2018/12/12/englands-local-authority-recycling-statistics-published-for-2017-18/

8% of all new cars sold are now either electric or Hybrid 

It’s easy to stop a train and scream about nothing being done but in reality plenty of action has already been taken. It’s a long road but is this sort of protest really helping anyone? It’s not for me 

[birch-chorley]

6 hours ago, gonzo said:

this guy is spot on. 

Nothing will change though. It never does till it has to. 

See the global economic crash during the late 00’s for details. 

Will take people to actually die and cuddly species to become extinct before any of the top dogs even think about making any more than a token reform. 

Nobody gives a fuck unless it’s on their own doorstep. The great big fracking debate being a prime example of this. Villages, comunties abd green belt land decimated to make a few quid. But it’s ok as it’s not on my street. 

  

 

Not sure what good overthrowing capitalism will do, anarchy isn’t going to do the climate any favours either I suspect 

I’m not sure why fracking gets singled out, surely it should be all natural gas use if your looking at it from an environmental point of view? But whilst we still need natural gas for our boilers and cookers it’s more environmentally friendly to pull it out the ground locally than it is to frack it out the ground in Norway and ship it here in tankers. Again, I guess it’s all right if it’s not in your back yard 

[gonzo]

3 hours ago, birch-chorley said:

Not sure what good overthrowing capitalism will do, anarchy isn’t going to do the climate any favours either I suspect 

I’m not sure why fracking gets singled out, surely it should be all natural gas use if your looking at it from an environmental point of view? But whilst we still need natural gas for our boilers and cookers it’s more environmentally friendly to pull it out the ground locally than it is to frack it out the ground in Norway and ship it here in tankers. Again, I guess it’s all right if it’s not in your back yard 

That’s my point. When It boils down to it nobody gives a shit as long as it’s cheaper. 

I wouldn’t like my village smashed to pieces by a fracking site but don’t spare a second thought for the damage elsewhere. It’s same for everybody. 

Theres needs to be an institutional change, like the fella says above led by governments and conglomerates. 

But it wont happen till something properly goes pear shaped as me you and everybody secretly don’t care as long as our pockets are safe. 

[birch-chorley]

9 minutes ago, gonzo said:

That’s my point. When It boils down to it nobody gives a shit as long as it’s cheaper. 

I wouldn’t like my village smashed to pieces by a fracking site but don’t spare a second thought for the damage elsewhere. It’s same for everybody. 

Theres needs to be an institutional change, like the fella says above led by governments and conglomerates. 

But it wont happen till something properly goes pear shaped as me you and everybody secretly don’t care as long as our pockets are safe. 

To be fair, as my post above shows, as a country we have reduced our carbon footprint by 40% since 1990. It’s now as low as it was in 1894 when queen Victoria was on the throne 

It seems a common mid conception to say  that nothing is happening and the government isn’t doing anything, that’s far from the truth 

We’ve come a long way in 30 years, do the same again in the next 30 years and we are carbon neutral 

Problem is, it’s not worth anything unless the US, China, India etc are all on board - They were untilTrump through the Paris agreement out the window 

[Guest]

49 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

 

Problem is, it’s not worth anything unless the US, China, India etc are all on board - They were untilTrump through the Paris agreement out the window 

Indeed, this country is progressing well, if they had the cojones they’d get to Tiannamen Square and demonstrate against the Chinese 

[birch-chorley]

In fairness to China 

They will always point to the data per capita head, in which case they are already much lower 

We’ve had our industrial revolution so it’s hard to go round telling developing countries to be more responsible when they have theirs. I think it’s upto the developed counties to lead the developing ones out of this mess 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

In fairness to China 

They will always point to the data per capita head, in which case they are already much lower 

We’ve had our industrial revolution so it’s hard to go round telling developing countries to be more responsible when they have theirs. I think it’s upto the developed counties to lead the developing ones out of this mess 

 

I'd say it's the very opposite. It's a weak effort to say we should let them have theirs as we've had ours. The environment won't wait.

It's the duty of those developed nations to educate those going through change as to the pitfalls that may be there.

Helping them avoid making the same mistakes is very much a global responsibility.

If that means a cruel to be kind approach, blocking irresponsibly manufactured good and produce then go for it.

Also a double edged sword: many of the big companies in developing countries are happy to ignore environmental responsibility in pursuit of the extra money. These must be tackled from our side too.

[birch-chorley]

I don’t mean that we should leave them all to it 

Howecer, as we led the world into heavy industrialisation we should also lead out of it as well 

For me anyway 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

I don’t mean that we should leave them all to it 

Howecer, as we led the world into heavy industrialisation we should also lead out of it as well 

For me anyway 

Absolutely. A second environmental industrial revolution. Lead the world and make some dosh whilst at it too.

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, birch-chorley said:

I don’t mean that we should leave them all to it 

Howecer, as we led the world into heavy industrialisation we should also lead out of it as well 

For me anyway 

Forget Brexit - that's the kind of thing that inspires me!

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Forget Brexit - that's the kind of thing that inspires me!

To be honest Brexit is dwarfed by this. I want to see us push on afterwards. If it ever happens.

[Guest]

Emma Thompson accusing the government of hypocrisy 

pot kettle etc

[Tonge moor green jacket]

43 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Emma Thompson accusing the government of hypocrisy 

pot kettle etc

There's a surprise.

[bolty58]

11 hours ago, boltondiver said:

Emma Thompson accusing the government of hypocrisy 

pot kettle etc

Revolting woman.

I see the Parisian cops were straight in with the pepper spray. No fucking about.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Decent actor, but a grade A screecher.

 

[kent_white]

15 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Decent actor, but a grade A screecher.

 

And totally the wrong choice of speaker when you're trying to build a concensus. A million people switched off because they've heard Emma Thompson is involved and so therefore it's a lefty, middle class type problem.