Coronavirus

[Guest]

10 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Governed by fuckwits who really don’t give a shit who dies  

 

You’d kill the economy and ruin everyone’s lives anyway, so what’s your superior point?

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10 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Governed by fuckwits who really don’t give a shit who dies  

 

I'm not sure it matters which side of the political fence people sit on, that makes grim reading. Somewhere, somehow, we've fucked up a bit

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23 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

You’d kill the economy and ruin everyone’s lives anyway, so what’s your superior point?

I'm not sure I recall him ever saying that to be honest

[Casino]

If you were in any doubt as to whether masks should be mandated in shops, gove says they shouldnt

[Tonge moor green jacket]

31 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I'm not sure I recall him ever saying that to be honest

Have you seen some of the comments lower down on that link.

One muppet can't understand why folk haven't risen up etc. Well, yes that's a great idea. Loads of cuntsticks fucked it off well before lockdown, mass protests, half a million trying to get to the beach in Bournemouth- nothing to do with continued infections of course.

Still let's overthrow the government because the lockdown was a couple of weeks too late, then watch as society destroys itself.

[royal white]

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

You’d kill the economy and ruin everyone’s lives anyway, so what’s your superior point?

Does anyone on here think we have massively fucked up with the Death toll figures? thousands  of deaths have been put down to CV-19 because the deceased had shown symptoms yet there’s countries bordering China that have only a few hundred cases and a handful of deaths. 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Does anyone on here think we have massively fucked up with the Death toll figures? thousands  of deaths have been put down to CV-19 because the deceased had shown symptoms yet there’s countries bordering China that have only a few hundred cases and a handful of deaths. 

I don’t think we’ve fucked up per se. I have always however believed we aren’t using the same methodology as many many others. But all that does in reality is play about with the numbers one way or another. A lot of folk on here and elsewhere have become fixated on it and comparing it to others when it’s like comparing an apple and an egg in reality. 

but if gives folk summat to moan about and they need that in their lives so let them carry on 

[tyldesley_white]

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I don’t think we’ve fucked up per se. I have always however believed we aren’t using the same methodology as many many others. But all that does in reality is play about with the numbers one way or another. A lot of folk on here and elsewhere have become fixated on it and comparing it to others when it’s like comparing an apple and an egg in reality. 

but if gives folk summat to moan about and they need that in their lives so let them carry on 

at the end of the day dead is dead

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I don’t think we’ve fucked up per se. I have always however believed we aren’t using the same methodology as many many others. But all that does in reality is play about with the numbers one way or another. A lot of folk on here and elsewhere have become fixated on it and comparing it to others when it’s like comparing an apple and an egg in reality. 

but if gives folk summat to moan about and they need that in their lives so let them carry on 

Yes there’s that way to look at it as well. If we are going about the figures the right way then there’s many countries that aren’t. 

Like you say as long as there’s something to moan about. 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, tyldesley_white said:

at the end of the day dead is dead

Correct. And an unspecified number would have died anyway.  But we have a strange section of our society fixated on the number and comparing it without any real basis and looking to allocate a cause of death and use it as politcial collateral .
Shame these people haven’t had the misfortune so far. 

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

at the end of the day dead is dead

No one is questioning that, it’s how they died thats being questioned

[Spider]

A high figure doesn’t really suit the government though.

Many are suggesting the true figure is higher.

Personally I think the figure is probably fairly accurate. Chances are some Deaths have been falsely recorded as Covid, and some haven’t when they should have been. Probably cancels itself out and leaves us with a figure that seems reasonable.

The delay of the lockdown caused more deaths, no doubt about that. The initial suggestion that Boris was following the science has since proven to be a mistake.

For now, it’s under control and the recent riots/marches don’t appear to have caused a spike.

Theres a very good chance there’ll be another wave in autumn. If so, the government have absolutely no excuses if they fuck that up. None whatsoever.

As it is, we should be back to normal but just being sensible. 

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, Spider said:

A high figure doesn’t really suit the government though.

Many are suggesting the true figure is higher.

Personally I think the figure is probably fairly accurate. Chances are some Deaths have been falsely recorded as Covid, and some haven’t when they should have been. Probably cancels itself out and leaves us with a figure that seems reasonable.

The delay of the lockdown caused more deaths, no doubt about that. The initial suggestion that Boris was following the science has since proven to be a mistake.

For now, it’s under control and the recent riots/marches don’t appear to have caused a spike.

Theres a very good chance there’ll be another wave in autumn. If so, the government have absolutely no excuses if they fuck that up. None whatsoever.

As it is, we should be back to normal but just being sensible. 

Would you agree that if we are recording deaths the correct way that many other countries aren’t? 

[tyldesley_white]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Would you agree that if we are recording deaths the correct way that many other countries aren’t? 

but how do you know that they are, or are we back to the British know best, ?

[mickbrown]

2 hours ago, boltondiver said:

You’d kill the economy and ruin everyone’s lives anyway, so what’s your superior point?

Think the point was pretty fucking self evident. 

And guess what? All those countries with less deaths than us have economies getting back to normal. 

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

If you were in any doubt as to whether masks should be mandated in shops, gove says they shouldnt

If there’s one bloke who’d benefit from a mask it’s that plug lookalike fucker. 

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Does anyone on here think we have massively fucked up with the Death toll figures? thousands  of deaths have been put down to CV-19 because the deceased had shown symptoms yet there’s countries bordering China that have only a few hundred cases and a handful of deaths. 

Vietnam. 900 mile land border with China. Zero deaths. 

[Escobarp]

18 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Think the point was pretty fucking self evident. 

And guess what? All those countries with less deaths than us have economies getting back to normal. 

Define normal? Please. Because I’ve read 5 or 6 articles about the economies of various countries and they are absolutely fucked. So would be interested to read the articles you have read saying the opposite. Thanks in advance 

[Ani]

55 minutes ago, royal white said:

Would you agree that if we are recording deaths the correct way that many other countries aren’t? 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-53222182
I think as well you have to take into account we were 2-3 weeks behind Italy and Spain , who were a similar time behind China. If you are looking purely at deaths we have not done well and lock down was late.  Not sure I have seen a measure that tells a different story. So based on deaths that have been recorded and increased overall death rates it is a logical conclusion that we have done very badly. 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Vietnam. 900 mile land border with China. Zero deaths. 

Yep. Do you think that’s a true stat? 

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yep. Do you think that’s a true stat? 

The real key here is that Vietnam stopped allowing Chinese People to enter The country in January. Yes January. 

[mickbrown]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yep. Do you think that’s a true stat? 

Dunno. Not sure what they’d gain from lying about it.  Take it you think it’s bullshit?

According to them the nearest they had to a death was a British pilot who was on a ventilator for months 

[Ani]

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Define normal? Please. Because I’ve read 5 or 6 articles about the economies of various countries and they are absolutely fucked. So would be interested to read the articles you have read saying the opposite. Thanks in advance 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/explainers-52575313
 

Shows were other countries are at. Thing is as each country have had different lock downs to compare is virtually impossible. I think if you are looking at purely deaths the speed and severity of our lockdown does not look good. 
We won’t know for a longer time economically who has done ‘best’. New Zealand has virtually had no cases but what happens when travel opens up ? 

[mickbrown]

Just now, Escobarp said:

The real key here is that Vietnam stopped allowing Chinese People to enter The country in January. Yes January. 

Aye, went hard and went early. That’s the key. We only thought about quarantining arrivals a couple of weeks ago. Now we’re considering masks in July. 
 

It’s been arse about tit from day one
 

 

[Escobarp]

Just now, Ani said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/explainers-52575313
 

Shows were other countries are at. Thing is as each country have had different lock downs to compare is virtually impossible. I think if you are looking at purely deaths the speed and severity of our lockdown does not look good. 
We won’t know for a longer time economically who has done ‘best’. New Zealand has virtually had no cases but what happens when travel opens up ? 

I’m not the one comparing them and defining them as normal mate. I’m also not the one comparing us to any other countries and never have done.  As you correctly point out it is impossible to do so with any certainty of fact. But people still continue to do it to try and prove a point that really doesn’t exist in reality 

 

I prefer to focus on the UK economy and how that is doing and it’s fucked. We are just going over the edge of a slope and people still can’t see it