How come there isn't a thread for this ?

Is it because they've revealed their true colours, excuse the deliberate pun.

Folk were warned re their true intentions, but as always called racist by the naive.

15 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

One evening match - under Parky's reign of terror. Sat away from my usual place on the cusp of Crazy Corner on the halfway line.

Some big dumb fucker sat behind with male and female stooges - they made those 'barmy' Bolton lads and lasses filmed at Chelsea look like Cary Grant and Lauren Bacall.

Anyhow the mercurial talent that was Mark Davies was excelling as Macron Stadium hide 'n seek supreme champion - the limited Liam Feeney was constantly showing for the ball and trying almost single-handedly to get something going, up and down tirelessly, and yes, limited - but committed.

Guess who Lurch and the rest of the Manson Klan (but mainly Lurch) were giving dog's abuse to?

On the final whistle I gave them some shit.

I have no doubt whatsoever Feeney got more shit from them because of his race - they knew better to chuck in racial epithets, they'd have got a slap, but they were on the tip of their tongues.

And no, I ain't Clinton Baptiste - but sometimes you just know.

Last overt blatant and blunt racism I heard was off the Paddock at Tony Yeboah, another night match.

Racism hasn't gone away, they're a dying breed though, the ones that remain have more nouse nowadays so keep a lid on it, keep it veiled, ambiguous, covert...

Regarding Millwall - if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck then chances are it's a fucking duck.

Yeboah left Leeds in 1997. Can only assume the game you are talking about was the freezing cold game of the Burnden bob. Got to say if your last example is 23 years ago it ain’t recent. 

10 minutes ago, Ani said:

Yeboah left Leeds in 1997. Can only assume the game you are talking about was the freezing cold game of the Burnden bob. Got to say if your last example is 23 years ago it ain’t recent. 

Like I said folk have learned to keep a lid on it - some may have moved on, but I'd hazard a guess that some of those coming out with the worst vile abuse that night haven't either; had a Damascene conversion to non-racism, have died or refuse to attend until x, y or z...I see one or two on occasion still around Middlebrook/Unibol pre-match.

It wasn't the League Cup match iirc - the frozzen one Tubby Brolin played.

Didn't we play them FA Cup, League and League Cup that season?

My memories hazy, but still clear on the invective that night.

If anything, if Yeboah heard it, it didn't put him off, he was unplayable.

Edited December 7, 20205 yr by Youri McAnespie

3 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Future Mastermind champion here. FFS.

Mastermind is used as a yardstick of intelligence solely by thick fuckers.

Example: Specialist subject - Joy Division...

Born in Stretford in 1956 - who was the lead singer of Joy Division?

Tough one...erm, Shaun Ryder?

Same dimwits that usually think Stephen Fry is the 21st Century equivalent of Bertrand Russell and that enjoying re-runs of 'QI' on Dave makes one a shoe-in for MENSA membership.

 

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Just happens to be a Monday

Six cans of Guinness Original and a 660ml bottle of Heineken Friday-Sunday is barely worth mentioning.

I've drank more for breakfast in the past.

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

See what happens? Teach Serfs, oafs and waifs a new word and they are already on the path to joing the nouveau riche.

Power to the peep hole.

What's 'joing' when it's at home?

I'm a mixture of Cumberland and Westmoreland landed gentry - my antecedent fell from grace when he began nobbing a girl in 'service', eventually eloping. Other ancestors include a member of a family of the Prussian Officer Class - who regrettably got mixed up in, against his will, some silly bother in the 1940's. A distant relation hailed from a Hungarian Jewish family of industrialists. Another faction of my family tree were of Olde English stock based in County Longford.

The fates conspired in all cases to cause a downgrade to end in penury in Bolton. Historically, however, we're riche, probably explains my disdain for the 'aspiring' nouveau riche Hyacinth Bucket archetypes.

1 hour ago, Ani said:

Yeboah left Leeds in 1997. Can only assume the game you are talking about was the freezing cold game of the Burnden bob. Got to say if your last example is 23 years ago it ain’t recent. 

aye, I've not seen a black player get a banana chucked at him since John Barnes in the cup tie in 93

good to see that has stopped in this day and age, still progress to be made though

2 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

aye, I've not seen a black player get a banana chucked at him since John Barnes in the cup tie in 93

good to see that has stopped in this day and age, still progress to be made though

You’d happily see some tarmac thrown at a Gypsie though if they were playing 😂

No point trying to make any progress unless we are going to do something to include Pakistanis, Indians and Chinese.

Oh, and to also do something about black lads not sticking around when they get Shanice up the duff.

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

You’d happily see some tarmac thrown at a Gypsie though if they were playing 😂

wonder how many gypsy footballers there are out there

can only think of one of the top of my head - Freddie Eastwood

and probably Hagi

13 hours ago, birch-chorley said:

I’m with you in all honesty 

I also think the exact same thing implies with the Black community when it comes to knife crime in London. So when stop and search data shows a young black lad is 10x more likely to get stopped and searched than a white lad I don't think the MET police are being racist. 
 
The whole BLM movement were arguing otherwise all summer, now we are having an Independent review into race equality. I for one hope it includes Gypsies as they perform much worse than the Black community in all measures. The conclusion should be that the U.K. isn’t systemically racists but each community has a different culture (life style choices as you put it) that are a much bigger reason for poor performance than colour of skin 

Once that conclusion is reached plenty in the U.K. BLM camp should have plenty egg on their faces 

going back to this, we agree it's a societal issue

folk at the bottom don't get the opportunties etc that those higher up do for various reasons

just so happens in this country and the US, loads of blacks are at the bottom

some strive and overcome the barriers and fair play to them

some don't give a fuck, make their descsions, and end up in vicious circle, their choice

others try, but face obstacles they can't overcome

if they decide to try and do something about it and strive for better, then fair play, and if it means standing up to prejudice etc, then so be it

if someone over comes the obstacles, does well, and chooses to help people who are in the position they once were, it's not something to sneer at (Rashford, Stormzy etc)

that all applies to anyone and everyone, not just blacks

in this case though, this thread, the discussion is about how blacks are going about it

but to dismiss their efforts because they don't include other ethnics in this country, or because they've not acknowledged that there are struggles the world over, doesn't mean they're not justified in what they want to achieve

that's like saying "i don't like these charities that only focus on one illness like cancer, or parkinsons, or aids - I like my charities to fight against all illnesses (even though my life isn't affected by any of these illnesses)"

leave them to it, until they go too far and to the extreme, then by all means, lay into them

IMO

it's not selective, it's no virture signalling, it's not lefty - I just think live and let live and try to ignore anyone who acts the cunt, unless they encroach into your life in a detrimental way (the gypsies)

Edited December 7, 20205 yr by ZicoKelly

2 hours ago, Spider said:

Piers Morgan has just made a right cock of himself.

James Cleverly, black politician, said he thinks there are better ways to prevent racism than taking a knee.

Morgan then starts telling him that as a black man that’s not a good opinion.

He’s telling black people what to think.

Fucking gonad.

Cleverly was spot on - the kick it out campaign deserves the backing. It’s established and doing good things. Taking the knee is fine if you want to do it, but shouldn’t be compulsory.

Its becoming almost religious in nature. And that always ends well.

This is a huge issue though with KiO I've done a bit of work with the KiO lot, if football was really serious about backing it they would give it more funds. Yearly it gets as much funding as an average Premier league player gets a week. A few pin badges and posters do not force the issue in front of people. And there is still an issue. That Anton Ferdinand documentary highlighted as much.

KiO I think had an office near Goodge St, about 5/6 full time. Its not enough. Taking the knee has brought this issue into an uncomfortable place for many. Happy to acknowledge a charity when it has little effect, and is limited to a few initiatives here and there, its different when something forces this issue from a global and cultural perspective and folk saying sorry, but unless we acknowledge there is an issue we're not going away.

Virtual signalling, Marxism (😆) is just distraction. If footballer players are forcing this sort of discussion, good and I hope that there is now real pressure to fund KiO properly instead of just paying lipservice to it.

 

Edited December 7, 20205 yr by Not in Crawley

2 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

going back to this, we agree it's a societal issue

folk at the bottom don't get the opportunties etc that those higher up do for various reasons

just so happens in this country and the US, loads of blacks are at the bottom

some strive and overcome the barriers and fair play to them

some don't give a fuck, make their descsions, and end up in vicious circle, their choice

others try, but face obstacles they can't overcome

if they decide to try and do something about it and strive for better, then fair play, and if it means standing up to prejudice etc, then so be it

if someone over comes the obstacles, does well, and chooses to help people who are in the position they once were, it's not something to sneer at (Rashford)

that all applies to anyone and everyone, not just blacks

in this case though, this thread, the discussion is about how blacks are going about it

but to dismiss their efforts because they don't include other ethnics in this country, or because they've not acknowledged that there are struggles the world over, doesn't mean they're not justified in what they want to achieve

that's like saying "i don't like these charities that only focus on one illness like cancer, or parkinsons, or aids - I like my charities to fight against all illnesses (even though my life isn't affected by any of these illnesses)"

leave them to it, until they go too far and to the extreme, then by all means, lay into them

IMO

it's not selective, it's no virture signalling, it's not lefty - I just think live and let live and try to ignore anyone who acts the cunt, unless they encroach into your life in a detrimental way (the gypsies)

The premiership being a good example 

Spot on statement from the Colchester United chairman. 

https://www.cu-fc.com/news/2020/december/club-statement/

The kneeling will always be associated with BLM. What happened with BLM over the summer didn’t help their cause and is reflected in what we are seeing now. 
 

 

9 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

going back to this, we agree it's a societal issue

folk at the bottom don't get the opportunties etc that those higher up do for various reasons

just so happens in this country and the US, loads of blacks are at the bottom

some strive and overcome the barriers and fair play to them

some don't give a fuck, make their descsions, and end up in vicious circle, their choice

others try, but face obstacles they can't overcome

if they decide to try and do something about it and strive for better, then fair play, and if it means standing up to prejudice etc, then so be it

if someone over comes the obstacles, does well, and chooses to help people who are in the position they once were, it's not something to sneer at (Rashford)

that all applies to anyone and everyone, not just blacks

in this case though, this thread, the discussion is about how blacks are going about it

but to dismiss their efforts because they don't include other ethnics in this country, or because they've not acknowledged that there are struggles the world over, doesn't mean they're not justified in what they want to achieve

that's like saying "i don't like these charities that only focus on one illness like cancer, or parkinsons, or aids - I like my charities to fight against all illnesses (even though my life isn't affected by any of these illnesses)"

leave them to it, until they go too far and to the extreme, then by all means, lay into them

IMO

it's not selective, it's no virture signalling, it's not lefty - I just think live and let live and try to ignore anyone who acts the cunt, unless they encroach into your life in a detrimental way (the gypsies)

The BLM protests in the Summer seemed to focus on the fact that our Black Community don’t get the same chances as the White community, many felt strong enough about this to riot and cause damage to even the most bi partisan things such as War Memorials 

For me, I don’t see how the Black Community will have faced any tougher hurdles than the Asian communities 

Yet we see a deep disparity in the data. Those of Indian and Chinese heritage outperform all other groups substantially in all areas. If it really was an issue with skin colour then this surely wouldn’t be the case? The fact that Black Africans tend to perform much better than Black Caribbean’s (and White) supports this even further 

Your point around Gypsies is that it’s not the systems fault that they perform poorly, it’s their culture / lifestyle that holds them back. I agree, I also think it’s the culture / lifestyle of the Black Caribbean community that holds them back. Some Black people use racism as a crutch to explain lack of economic progress, which is far too easy & convenient for me 

The Summer BLM protests were about much more than racism at football, it was a much wider dig at our society being ‘systemically racist’, something I fundamentally disagree with. I see the footballers taking a knee as support of those same views so I’m against that. But of course, I don’t want to see racist abuse directed towards Black Footballers on the pitch or on line, you can oppose the views of the BLM movement in the U.K. without wanting folk to be racially abused 

2 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

The BLM protests in the Summer seemed to focus on the fact that our Black Community don’t get the same chances as the White community, many felt strong enough about this to riot and cause damage to even the most bi partisan things such as War Memorials 

For me, I don’t see how the Black Community will have faced any tougher hurdles than the Asian communities 

Yet we see a deep disparity in the data. Those of Indian and Chinese heritage outperform all other groups substantially in all areas. If it really was an issue with skin colour then this surely wouldn’t be the case? The fact that Black Africans tend to perform much better than Black Caribbean’s (and White) supports this even further 

Your point around Gypsies is that it’s not the systems fault that they perform poorly, it’s their culture / lifestyle that holds them back. I agree, I also think it’s the culture / lifestyle of the Black Caribbean community that holds them back. Some Black people use racism as a crutch to explain lack of economic progress, which is far too easy & convenient for me 

The Summer BLM protests were about much more than racism at football, it was a much wider dig at our society being ‘systemically racist’, something I fundamentally disagree with. I see the footballers taking a knee as support of those same views so I’m against that. But of course, I don’t want to see racist abuse directed towards Black Footballers on the pitch or on line, you can oppose the views of the BLM movement in the U.K. without wanting folk to be racially abused 

course, I just don't see the footballers as supporting the political group or linked to the violence, or at least try to see the distinction rather than lumping them in the same bracket - which is why I assume they get booed for the most part

I think it's perfectly acceptable for black players and their team mates to take the knee in response to the abuse black footballers receive whilst acknowledging that it's just one of many ways in which prejudice exists in aspects of society to varying degrees, and that we need to move forward, not ignore it

the whole thing in the summer  just brought it all to a head in terms of folks frustrations

the only way some people could express themselves was to riot, for whatever reason

there were plenty peaceful protestors too, but as always, someone has to spoil it - that goes for most protests and marches whatever their belief - e.g the problem with the EDL was they wanted lump all Muslims into the same bracket rather than make the distinction between the good ones and bad ones

and the bit in bold, I agree, just because I don't mind footballers taking the knee doesn't mean I support the whole BLM movement from top to bottom, or that they've got it 100% right so far or that I have to justify why they seem to have overlooked life in the middle and far east where oppression of miniority occurs in a scale not seen here or the US

it's just some don't see the distinction, hence we have threads like this that go round in circles a few times a year

So QPR stopped taking the knee earlier this season. They play at millwall on Tuesday. 
 

and have decided to take the knee again at that game. 
 

why? Just why?

14 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

So QPR stopped taking the knee earlier this season. They play at millwall on Tuesday. 
 

and have decided to take the knee again at that game. 
 

why? Just why?

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11711/12154071/qpr-to-take-a-knee-at-millwall-in-show-of-solidarity-following-booing

10 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

course, I just don't see the footballers as supporting the political group or linked to the violence, or at least try to see the distinction rather than lumping them in the same bracket - which is why I assume they get booed for the most part

I think it's perfectly acceptable for black players and their team mates to take the knee in response to the abuse black footballers receive whilst acknowledging that it's just one of many ways in which prejudice exists in aspects of society to varying degrees, and that we need to move forward, not ignore it

the whole thing in the summer  just brought it all to a head in terms of folks frustrations

the only way some people could express themselves was to riot, for whatever reason

there were plenty peaceful protestors too, but as always, someone has to spoil it - that goes for most protests and marches whatever their belief - e.g the problem with the EDL was they wanted lump all Muslims into the same bracket rather than make the distinction between the good ones and bad ones

and the bit in bold, I agree, just because I don't mind footballers taking the knee doesn't mean I support the whole BLM movement from top to bottom, or that they've got it 100% right so far or that I have to justify why they seem to have overlooked life in the middle and far east where oppression of miniority occurs in a scale not seen here or the US

it's just some don't see the distinction, hence we have threads like this that go round in circles a few times a year

I fully understand that most of the BLM protestors were peaceful and did it in the right way 

However, the protests were about much more than Football, whilst some footballers may only be supporting one small overall aspect of the wider message, others will be doing it in support of the wider message around systemic racism in the U.K. 

We have to accept that many people don’t feel conftable with the wider BLM messaging, so they are well within their rights to boo or make their disapproval heard in any way they wish when a BLM protest is taking place at a football ground (as long as against peaceful) 

We shouldn’t be threatening anyone who boos with ejection from the stadium and banning from grounds, it’s an opinion done in the right way. At the end of the day, it’s a short showing of disapproval before everyone gets on with their day watching football, shouldn't be the big issue it’s getting blown up to be 

52 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Spot on statement from the Colchester United chairman. 

https://www.cu-fc.com/news/2020/december/club-statement/

An excellent statement and hopefully everyone who is against the taking of a knee will read, digest and hopefully change their views on it.

25 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

So QPR stopped taking the knee earlier this season. They play at millwall on Tuesday. 
 

and have decided to take the knee again at that game. 
 

why? Just why?

I'd imagine as a big "fuck you" to the ignorant and the racists.

Edited December 7, 20205 yr by DazBob

10 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I fully understand that most of the BLM protestors were peaceful and did it in the right way 

However, the protests were about much more than Football, whilst some footballers may only be supporting one small overall aspect of the wider message, others will be doing it in support of the wider message around systemic racism in the U.K. 

We have to accept that many people don’t feel conftable with the wider BLM messaging, so they are well within their rights to boo or make their disapproval heard in any way they wish when a BLM protest is taking place at a football ground (as long as against peaceful) 

We shouldn’t be threatening anyone who boos with ejection from the stadium and banning from grounds, it’s an opinion done in the right way. At the end of the day, it’s a short showing of disapproval before everyone gets on with their day watching football, shouldn't be the big issue it’s getting blown up to be 

Have you read the Colchester Chairman's statement Cheese posted above?

10 minutes ago, Cheese said:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11711/12154071/qpr-to-take-a-knee-at-millwall-in-show-of-solidarity-following-booing

Good on em. Need to fight fire with fire, root them out and ban them from grounds.  In the same way that anti-vaxers will not be welcome in pubs next year, these people should not be welcome in sports stadiums.

3 minutes ago, DazBob said:

I'd imagine as a big "fuck you" to the ignorant and the racists.

Just looks wrong to me. If someone stops doing something because they no longer believe in that action, the starts again because of a high profile incident it just becomes a bit meh IMO. 

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Just looks wrong to me. If someone stops doing something because they no longer believe in that action, the starts again because of a high profile incident it just becomes a bit meh IMO. 

I've just read the statement from Warburton and he says it's something the players want to do.