DazBob Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: Just looks wrong to me. If someone stops doing something because they no longer believe in that action, the starts again because of a high profile incident it just becomes a bit meh IMO. I've just read the statement from Warburton and he says it's something the players want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 7, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Just looks wrong to me. If someone stops doing something because they no longer believe in that action, the starts again because of a high profile incident it just becomes a bit meh IMO. You asked "Why?" then appear to have ignored the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) Sounds like the knee is here to stay then! Makes me laugh that we now have a situation where fans up and down the country are booing their own players BEFORE the match, if that doesn't sum up 2020... Edited December 7, 2020 by jmjhb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, DazBob said: I've just read the statement from Warburton and he says it's something the players want to do. I’m not saying anyone is being forced or they don’t want to do it. Just seems odd to me that they didn’t feel it was worthwhile any longer but cos a few folk boo they decide to do it again. And guess what? Theyre going to boo again and again and again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, Cheese said: You asked "Why?" then appear to have ignored the answer. No I had already read that article. My question still stood. Thanks though 👍🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said: aye, I've not seen a black player get a banana chucked at him since John Barnes in the cup tie in 93 good to see that has stopped in this day and age, still progress to be made though Aubameyang in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: I’m not saying anyone is being forced or they don’t want to do it. Just seems odd to me that they didn’t feel it was worthwhile any longer but cos a few folk boo they decide to do it again. And guess what? Theyre going to boo again and again and again And the footballers will continue to kneel. The fans won't win this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, jmjhb said: And the footballers will continue to kneel. The fans won't win this one It’s not a competition. If clubs stopped because folk were booing I would’ve been shocked. And dismayed that they are so easily swayed. But likewise just because another clubs fans boo doesn’t mean someone should reverse a decision not to do something. if I believe in something I do it. If I don’t I don’t. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Cheese said: Spot on statement from the Colchester United chairman. https://www.cu-fc.com/news/2020/december/club-statement/ That's a great response. If some berks still want to claim they dislike the gesture because of an anti Marxist stance then perhaps they can just shut the f up when it's taking place. That way we can confirm everyone that boos is a racist clown and they can be banned from attending in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Escobarp said: I’m not saying anyone is being forced or they don’t want to do it. Just seems odd to me that they didn’t feel it was worthwhile any longer but cos a few folk boo they decide to do it again. And guess what? Theyre going to boo again and again and again Maybe the players thought the kneeling had run it's course and there was no need for it anymore, but the actions of a few fans around the country at the weekend have forced them to have a rethink. So ultimately, the boo-ers have made this continue. Good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, DazBob said: Have you read the Colchester Chairman's statement Cheese posted above? Aye, I get it, he feels they are only taking the knee in support of a very small piece of what the overall movement represents (racism in football), entirely up to him and his team to decide why they are doing it However, many will be taking the opportunity to show their disagreement with the wider movement. It doesn’t mean they support racial abuse against Black Footballers or believe that Black Lives Don’t Matter Like it or not BLM covers a very broad scope for everyone, you can pick and choose which bits you support, your entitled to, others are equally as entitled to pick and choose which bits they disapprove of and show that disapproval in a peaceful way I think you said that the Premier League have already moved away from BLM and onto No Room For Racism, I think that’s an excellent way forward and would be happy for the EFL to follow suit. BLM is just too tainted for me personally to support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, DazBob said: Maybe the players thought the kneeling had run it's course and there was no need for it anymore, but the actions of a few fans around the country at the weekend have forced them to have a rethink. So ultimately, the boo-ers have made this continue. Good work. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/football/54237179 i believe that was why? booing hasn’t changed that from what I can see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, birch-chorley said: Aye, I get it, he feels they are only taking the knee in support of a very small piece of what the overall movement represents (racism in football), entirely up to him and his team to decide why they are doing it However, many will be taking the opportunity to show their disagreement with the wider movement. It doesn’t mean they support racial abuse against Black Footballers or believe that Black Lives Don’t Matter Like it or not BLM covers a very broad scope for everyone, you can pick and choose which bits you support, your entitled to, others are equally as entitled to pick and choose which bits they disapprove of and show that disapproval in a peaceful way I think you said that the Premier League have already moved away from BLM and onto No Room For Racism, I think that’s an excellent way forward and would be happy for the EFL to follow suit. BLM is just too tainted for me personally to support So, you acknowledge why his team are doing it and acknowledge they're doing it to represent racism in football ...but then go on to say what they're doing is representative of the wider BLM movement? I don't get it. Why can't you just take their word for what they're doing and accept that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 7, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Escobarp said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/football/54237179 i believe that was why? booing hasn’t changed that from what I can see? But it obviously has, as it's the reason the QPR players have decided to take the knee again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Just looks wrong to me. If someone stops doing something because they no longer believe in that action, the starts again because of a high profile incident it just becomes a bit meh IMO. Millwall have just made it relevant again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted December 7, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Escobarp said: It’s not a competition. If clubs stopped because folk were booing I would’ve been shocked. And dismayed that they are so easily swayed. But likewise just because another clubs fans boo doesn’t mean someone should reverse a decision not to do something. if I believe in something I do it. If I don’t I don’t. Simple as that. is the answer to your original question "why" "QPR" thought it had ran it's course (I agree with Les) "QPR" have since seen that there is still work to do, so will do it because they are playing Millwall, where it seems there is still work to do, myabe they will stop again after that, it's all about the timing, but it's what they've chosen to do and believe in, according to that statement from Warburton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Escobarp said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/football/54237179 i believe that was why? booing hasn’t changed that from what I can see? So Sir Les has said it had become a bit of an empty gesture. That's fair enough and I wouldn't argue with a black man's view of it. ... and had fans not booed it at the weekend QPR would've carried on with their choice not to kneel. They obviously feel very strongly about it and it's their choice to revert back to doing it. Just for balance, Sir Les said the players should stop kneeling but plenty of other black players have said the opposite. There's no right or wrong, just their opinions and I respect all of them. Would be interesting to hear his views on the booing of it. Hopefully he shares them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 23 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Good on em. Need to fight fire with fire, root them out and ban them from grounds. In the same way that anti-vaxers will not be welcome in pubs next year, these people should not be welcome in sports stadiums. Ban them? Haha good luck with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, kent_white said: Millwall have just made it relevant again It hasn’t changed the reason why they stopped doing it though. It has been diluted. That remains the case. anyway I’ve said I think the gesture is tarnished and I still think that’s the case. Find something else that is new and fresh and isn’t associated with politics. oh if that makes me a racist to some then so be it 👍🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, DazBob said: So Sir Les has said it had become a bit of an empty gesture. That's fair enough and I wouldn't argue with a black man's view of it. ... and had fans not booed it at the weekend QPR would've carried on with their choice not to kneel. They obviously feel very strongly about it and it's their choice to revert back to doing it. Just for balance, Sir Les said the players should stop kneeling but plenty of other black players have said the opposite. There's no right or wrong, just their opinions and I respect all of them. Would be interesting to hear his views on the booing of it. Hopefully he shares them. Agree would be interesting to hear what he had to say. I suspect he will avoid such questioning. surely as well the media storm around this is actually worse than just ignoring it? We are giving air time To the people doing it. Just a thought. interesting as well I hand t heard a peep about it happening at colchester? Why was that? Why did millwall hit the headlines but with regards to colchester it wasn’t deemed newsworthy? Sensationalism perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Aye, I get it, he feels they are only taking the knee in support of a very small piece of what the overall movement represents (racism in football), entirely up to him and his team to decide why they are doing it However, many will be taking the opportunity to show their disagreement with the wider movement. It doesn’t mean they support racial abuse against Black Footballers or believe that Black Lives Don’t Matter Like it or not BLM covers a very broad scope for everyone, you can pick and choose which bits you support, your entitled to, others are equally as entitled to pick and choose which bits they disapprove of and show that disapproval in a peaceful way I think you said that the Premier League have already moved away from BLM and onto No Room For Racism, I think that’s an excellent way forward and would be happy for the EFL to follow suit. BLM is just too tainted for me personally to support The EFL don't need to follow suit because the EFL adopted the slogan "Not today or any day", rather than BLM, before the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 If Auntie Sharon comes out and says, when we're allowed back, anyone who disrespects the taking of knee will not be welcome at the stadium, would that stop anyone going to the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, DazBob said: If Auntie Sharon comes out and says, when we're allowed back, anyone who disrespects the taking of knee will not be welcome at the stadium, would that stop anyone going to the game? Doubt it, those who want to boo will still go and boo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: surely as well the media storm around this is actually worse than just ignoring it? We are giving air time To the people doing it. Just a thought. interesting as well I hand t heard a peep about it happening at colchester? Why was that? Why did millwall hit the headlines but with regards to colchester it wasn’t deemed newsworthy? Sensationalism perhaps? First paragraph - yes, completely agree. it's just very true in a lot of aspects of life, unfortunately. The likes of Katie Hopkins' vile spewings as an example. Second paragraph - Because it's Millwall and if anyone was going to be among the first to boo it would be them. It also makes for a good, if somewhat predictable headline. Probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, royal white said: Doubt it, those who want to boo will still go and boo ... and if they get thrown out and/or banned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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