The eve of the maddest show in the world

Two senior citizens battling it out to become the most powerful person in the world

The most decisive election in years, which no matter the outcome, the whole country is anticipating civil unrest.

Yes folks the loonies are well and truly out of the Asylum

Forget the polls, forget what you think will happen one thing for sure is it’s always unpredictable and I cannot wait 

Buckle up Dorothy

USA 🇺🇸  USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 

17 minutes ago, Ani said:

There is an option to be better than others though. 

The world is a better place today. 

Of course, and on the whole people have. 

However, so far we've had a thread questioning why the election of the VP is a story, and a thread already going on about Biden being a kiddy fiddler. Like so many im sick of gargling the shit of devision. So are decent Conservatives and Republicans in the States. I've no issue with that at all, but the constant lies and bullshit cannot and should not go unquestioned, whatever your political leanings this race to the bottom has to end.

Just now, ZicoKelly said:

Bit like NFL and loving or hating Tom Brady

I've never been into US politics bar laughing at the odd Bush gaffe, and tbh honest I'm still not, couldn't care less if a democrat or republican is in charge

However

Trump has made the last several years quite the spectacle

 

He has, and if having someone like that at the helm of the worlds most powerful country leads to it never happening again it’s a massive massive positive  and sort of worth the pain that many folk will have endured. We need normality again so the world can progress it’s gone backwards in recent years without a doubt 

29 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

The irony on here is priceless. 

Double whoosh

18 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

2 years? I thought it was 4 but let’s not split hairs. 
 

secondly I’m no fan of trump. I just find grown men wanking themselves senseless over something thousands of miles way that they played no part in rather odd and slightly cringey. 
 

finally to me, behaving in the manner you have criticised certain others for behaving is hypocritical and rather ironic. Cheers 

How was that in any way patronising?

Espeically relative to your post replying to mine

Massive, massive  cockwomble 🤣🤣

 

Just now, Escobarp said:

He has, and if having someone like that at the helm of the worlds most powerful country leads to it never happening again it’s a massive massive positive  and sort of worth the pain that many folk will have endured. We need normality again so the world can progress it’s gone backwards in recent years without a doubt 

Maybe bolty was right after all and he was the shot in the arm us politics needed

6 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Give over mate with the lecture eh. I can read the same as anyone. I understand how powerful the man is. 
 

That isn’t my point and you well know it. but crack on in your attempts to be patronising 👍🏼

Patronising?

2 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Maybe bolty was right after all and he was the shot in the arm us politics needed

Maybe in time He will be seen as a necessary evil. Time will tell. 
 

im not sure we needed such an extreme but he didn’t get in by accident he got in because too many people were either completely fed up with “the norm” Or a combination of that in tandem with too many folk sharing his twisted views. But either way he’s soon to be gone and confined to history. Time for the states to move forward hopefully. But I don’t for one minute think this is the magic wand some are hoping for. The 70m plus people who voted for him this time round will all still live there with their views and beliefs. 

1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said:

Fair enough, wasn't paying that much attention back then

 

1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said:

Fair enough, wasn't paying that much attention back then

You were too young!

Not a single person on here has said it will be like a magic wand.

Most are just glad for the refreshing change Biden will bring to the world, not just the US.

 

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

Not a single person on here has said it will be like a magic wand.

Most are just glad for the refreshing change Biden will bring to the world, not just the US.

 

I don't know much about Biden, except that he isn't Trump.

Notwithstanding he is a dick, Trump did achieve some worthwhile things.

11 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Of course, and on the whole people have. 

However, so far we've had a thread questioning why the election of the VP is a story, and a thread already going on about Biden being a kiddy fiddler. Like so many im sick of gargling the shit of devision. So are decent Conservatives and Republicans in the States. I've no issue with that at all, but the constant lies and bullshit cannot and should not go unquestioned, whatever your political leanings this race to the bottom has to end.

But reacting just fans the flames. 
If anyone does not understand why the VP is not a story they are being deliberately obtuse.

Just answer lies with facts. 

Just now, boltondiver said:

I don't know much about Biden, except that he isn't Trump.

Notwithstanding he is a dick, Trump did achieve some worthwhile things.

I think that applies to most of the folk heralding him as the new messiah as well. It’s quite bizarre. 
 

 

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I don't know much about Biden, except that he isn't Trump.

Notwithstanding he is a dick, Trump did achieve some worthwhile things.

If he did then it was far outweighed by all the division he caused. 

A shocking person for such a high influential position.

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I think that applies to most of the folk heralding him as the new messiah as well. It’s quite bizarre. 
 

 

Not really, he has been in politics for the best part of 50 years so we all know what he stands for. 

Donald Trump is probably the most graceless leader the  western world has ever seen. I'm not sorry to see him go. For most of my life (had I been born American) I'd have voted Democrat. For the last decade or so I'd have voted Republican in the same way that I've started voting Conservative in the UK.

In the 2016 US election I'd have been very hard pressed to back Trump because he was coming across as a self-absorbed egotist back then too. I couldn't stand Hilary Clinton either so it would have been Hobson's choice. Four years in the White House has done nothing to heal his character flaws. The horrible tantrum we are now seeing in trying to undermine and de-legitimise a clear election result will taint his legacy long after he's gone and is corrosive to democracy.

However ... there is a lot of hypocrisy around this morning. Can anybody else recall an election finish 52/48 per cent with the losing side taking to the courts as one of a series of tactics to try to undermine a clear democratic outcome? Gina Miller? Lord Adonis? Jo Swinson? Philip Hammond et al? Ringing any bells?

This trend toward legal challenge to try to deny democracy is sinister and dangerous. Trump might point to the fact that he faced similar legal challenges following his win in 2016. He did. And that was all part of this same trend. But Trump didn't even win the popular vote in 2016 and that's something else that needs sorting in US elections (we had the same nonsensical outcome in 2000 in Bush v Gore when Gore won more votes). 

Resorting to the courts to challenge clear election outcomes has got to stop. The sooner Trump is gone the better. Let's hope Biden acts the way a President should behave like pretty much all the US presidents in my lifetime prior to Trump. He also has a chance to reach out to the people who have voted so enthusiastically for Trump - many of them in previous generations would have been natural Democrats. If he doesn't do that there'll be another populist surge soon enough. Over to you Joe....

4 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

 

A shocking person for such a high influential position.

Always agreed

Just now, Farrelli said:

Not really, he has been in politics for the best part of 50 years so we all know what he stands for. 

“All”? 
 

and 50 years in politics to reach the top seat? Sounds top class. But I know nothing of him and nowt about any other US president’s political policies or history. 
 

same as quite a few people who are now self proclaimed professors in US politics I suspect. The covid experts have switched to US politics for a while. 
 

 

Just read some stuff about bush v gore in 2000. Now that was close...

 

 

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

Just read some stuff about bush v gore in 2000. Now that was close...

 

yes it was, and you can see why a challenge was done, this time not so much

Another point of interest 3 of the lawyer that were on that case are now on the supreme court, that's now good the Bush legal team were 

7 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

“All”? 
 

and 50 years in politics to reach the top seat? Sounds top class. But I know nothing of him and nowt about any other US president’s political policies or history. 
 

same as quite a few people who are now self proclaimed professors in US politics I suspect. The covid experts have switched to US politics for a while. 
 

 

Well I suggest you go and do some reading and then report back in when you are more informed.

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Well I suggest you go and do some reading and then report back in when you are more informed.

Why would I do that?

18 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Donald Trump is probably the most graceless leader the  western world has ever seen. I'm not sorry to see him go. For most of my life (had I been born American) I'd have voted Democrat. For the last decade or so I'd have voted Republican in the same way that I've started voting Conservative in the UK.

In the 2016 US election I'd have been very hard pressed to back Trump because he was coming across as a self-absorbed egotist back then too. I couldn't stand Hilary Clinton either so it would have been Hobson's choice. Four years in the White House has done nothing to heal his character flaws. The horrible tantrum we are now seeing in trying to undermine and de-legitimise a clear election result will taint his legacy long after he's gone and is corrosive to democracy.

However ... there is a lot of hypocrisy around this morning. Can anybody else recall an election finish 52/48 per cent with the losing side taking to the courts as one of a series of tactics to try to undermine a clear democratic outcome? Gina Miller? Lord Adonis? Jo Swinson? Philip Hammond et al? Ringing any bells?

This trend toward legal challenge to try to deny democracy is sinister and dangerous. Trump might point to the fact that he faced similar legal challenges following his win in 2016. He did. And that was all part of this same trend. But Trump didn't even win the popular vote in 2016 and that's something else that needs sorting in US elections (we had the same nonsensical outcome in 2000 in Bush v Gore when Gore won more votes). 

Resorting to the courts to challenge clear election outcomes has got to stop. The sooner Trump is gone the better. Let's hope Biden acts the way a President should behave like pretty much all the US presidents in my lifetime prior to Trump. He also has a chance to reach out to the people who have voted so enthusiastically for Trump - many of them in previous generations would have been natural Democrats. If he doesn't do that there'll be another populist surge soon enough. Over to you Joe....

Thank you Paul.

4 years of jubilant "leavers" telling "remainers" to shut the fuck up and get over it has resulted in this.

A large number of leavers are also, for some reason, Trump fans (You are an exception it seems, there will be more). 

What you then have are people forcing trump and Brexit joyfully into the faces of anyone who utters of breath of disagreement.

So for Trump to lose, those same people - Miami, Royal, Bolty (i don't mind naming names) - need to understand that the shoe is on the other foot  and there will be a backlash. And that backlash will look VERY familiar.

They just have to suck it up. It's nowt personal, no need for straighteners and we're all friends.

But for now, your man lost, roll with the virtual punches for a bit lads.

Edited November 8, 20205 yr by Spider

Surely it should be those “experts”’such as yourself that actually needs the knowledge? 

10 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

 

You lost. Get over it.