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Is out top gate not 69912? 

I knew that number before I knew what a number was :lol: my dad used to sing it to me 🤣

Just now, Mr Grey said:

And only those counted at the turnstiles, official attendance, many more non-payer, underneath turnstiles, over the embankment and a few war tunnels. Add another 10 to 15k, all slim fuckers mind and all smokers.

85000+ in the ground .

Was reported when disaster struck.

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2 minutes ago, embankment said:

85000+ in the ground .

Was reported when disaster struck.

That was the case for most grounds in that era, even in the late 80's and early 90's at Burnden, the official crowd was way below what it actually was.

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1 hour ago, embankment said:

Put ya fishing rod away .

I was on for the Everton game and it was packed. 
24366 was its maximum capacity .

This was slightly reduced when the Bovril Bar was built and the River Caves extended . ( top left hand corner) . Capacity was then 23297 . It remained at this for along time.

The scoreboard was capable of holding 5 people . But only had 2 viewing hatches.

It was a bad day when the concrete segregation was installed and away fans were allowed in 1third of it .

It was a travesty when Normid was built on it. 
It was without doubt the finest open air terrace in the North and North West of England.

Yep I had dust in my eyes when I walked away from it for the last time.


 

 

26 minutes ago, embankment said:

1933 .

28,087 on for the City game.

All slim buggers

 

18 minutes ago, embankment said:

1933 .

28,087 on for the City game.

All slim buggers

 

19785 on the Lever End same day

Unsurprisingly seems to be the expert on all things the Embankment. 👏

Went there regularly in early/mid eighties, as a kid at the front. Then never went there again until the last game V Charlton. Great memories 

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1 minute ago, Mr Grey said:

That was the case for most grounds in that era, even in the late 80's and early 90's at Burnden, the official crowd was way below what it actually was.

some folks must have made some brass out of football in those days 

instead of footballers making some brass like nowadays

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Just now, crawshawbooth said:

some folks must have made some brass out of football in those days 

instead of footballers making some brass like nowadays

Those turnstile operators made a killing, let their mates in and people they know either for free or half the price.

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2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

That was the case for most grounds in that era, even in the late 80's and early 90's at Burnden, the official crowd was way below what it actually was.

As opposed to current times when the official crowd is exaggerated, based on season tickets purchased, many by fans that have no intention of attending every game.  And the freebie and cheap tickets that are thrown around and might be used or not, no such thing in the pre-all seater stadium days.

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Just now, Johnnyrotten said:

As opposed to current times when the official crowd is exaggerated, based on season tickets purchased, many by fans that have no intention of attending every game.  And the freebie and cheap tickets that are thrown around and might be used or not, no such thing in the pre-all seater stadium days.

Correct it's now gone the other way.

Tyrers bus drivers get at least 2 tickets for each home game, unfortunately the last few seasons we have struggled to shift complimentary tickets.

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5 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Those turnstile operators made a killing, let their mates in and people they know either for free or half the price.

Remember watching Wigan Rugby League v Manly . Central Park was packed . Official attendance 36895. There must have been 43000+ on that night.

A lot of very rich turnstile guys

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33 minutes ago, embankment said:

85000+ in the ground .

Was reported when disaster struck.

Burnden Stand was closed on the day of the disaster, filled with food hampers and other supplies for post-war distribution, but room was eventually made to accommodate those who had exited the Embankment on the side of the pitch to let the match continue. So probably 3000 seats unavailable at kick off....

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17 minutes ago, embankment said:

Remember watching Wigan Rugby League v Manly . Central Park was packed . Official attendance 36895. There must have been 43000+ on that night.

A lot of very rich turnstile guys

that was one mad night wasnt it 

never to be forgotten , bet we were there for 6 30

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5 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I was going to say it in jest, then when I thought about it, how could it not be a factor?  In 1954, average weight of a Brit was 11st 6, and 34 inch waist.  Now its 12st 6, waist 37, so fair to assume in early 1900s the gap was even bigger.  50k people stood on terraces in 1910 may have needed 20% less space than 50k in 2000!  How else can you explain Burnden holding 70k? Take it or leave it, no charge for this analysis 😀  

Average football fan weight is I'm reliably informed 22st 6

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2 hours ago, jayjayoghani said:

Average football fan weight is I'm reliably informed 22st 6

So as i tip the scales at 15st 4 , which makes me " a below average fan"

I would like contest that fact.

The simple fact that i have travelled the uk rail network on Saturday mornings with at least 38% of the not rights on here to support BWFC makes me a Very much above average fòotball fan.

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There aren't many reasons for being glad to be turning in to an owd bugger - but it does mean I am old enough to remember the Embankment. My first memory of it was with just the one set of dividing fences down the middle - home fans on the Manny Road half and away fans on the Burnden Paddock half. Very often though they fastened up some tape to the crush barriers in that away half of the terrace to effectively split it in to three. Then they did split it into three with pucker fencing at the start of 78.9 (I think). 

That middle section wasn't too often used after we fell out of Div 1 in 1980. I remember the game against Leeds in 78.9. Their fans had crammed the normal away third and they opened the gates in the middle section. The Leeds fans all seemed to run on to the middle terrace like a hostile aggressive tide of humanity. 

Most Bolton fans I've seen on there was probably the Fulham when we clinched the Div 2 Championship in 77.78

And of course they occasionally switched things around and put the away fans in the home section... which meant they were next door to those benign and friendly characters in the Manny Road North. Remember the Manny Roaders trying to get over the fence in to the Blackburn fans one festive period game in the early 80s!

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38 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

There aren't many reasons for being glad to be turning in to an owd bugger - but it does mean I am old enough to remember the Embankment. My first memory of it was with just the one set of dividing fences down the middle - home fans on the Manny Road half and away fans on the Burnden Paddock half. Very often though they fastened up some tape to the crush barriers in that away half of the terrace to effectively split it in to three. Then they did split it into three with pucker fencing at the start of 78.9 (I think). 

That middle section wasn't too often used after we fell out of Div 1 in 1980. I remember the game against Leeds in 78.9. Their fans had crammed the normal away third and they opened the gates in the middle section. The Leeds fans all seemed to run on to the middle terrace like a hostile aggressive tide of humanity. 

Most Bolton fans I've seen on there was probably the Fulham when we clinched the Div 2 Championship in 77.78

And of course they occasionally switched things around and put the away fans in the home section... which meant they were next door to those benign and friendly characters in the Manny Road North. Remember the Manny Roaders trying to get over the fence in to the Blackburn fans one festive period game in the early 80s!

Us really old buggers remember it when there was no dividing fences - there was some fun and games in the years preceeding segregation

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I wasn't at the Everton game in the LC semi as I'd just started going (first game was the one before, beating Notts C) and so I've often wondered out of the 50k how many were Everton? Just because the most Bolton fans I've been with at a game must be the 36k for the Fulham match (Fulham brought one coach) - as there's no way we've had a 36k allocation for any Wembley/Cardiff event, and other big crowds at Burnden I'd been in had significant away numbers. So if you were at the Everton game do you beat the 36k?

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1 hour ago, SatanGreavsie said:

I wasn't at the Everton game in the LC semi as I'd just started going (first game was the one before, beating Notts C) and so I've often wondered out of the 50k how many were Everton? Just because the most Bolton fans I've been with at a game must be the 36k for the Fulham match (Fulham brought one coach) - as there's no way we've had a 36k allocation for any Wembley/Cardiff event, and other big crowds at Burnden I'd been in had significant away numbers. So if you were at the Everton game do you beat the 36k?

About right at 36000 Bolton and 14000 Everton. Apart from Wembley what’s the biggest Bolton away following? I would guess at Blackburn 1978 where I would say we had 20000 Bolton on

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1 hour ago, SatanGreavsie said:

I wasn't at the Everton game in the LC semi as I'd just started going (first game was the one before, beating Notts C) and so I've often wondered out of the 50k how many were Everton? Just because the most Bolton fans I've been with at a game must be the 36k for the Fulham match (Fulham brought one coach) - as there's no way we've had a 36k allocation for any Wembley/Cardiff event, and other big crowds at Burnden I'd been in had significant away numbers. So if you were at the Everton game do you beat the 36k?

Where did they put the Fulham fans that day? Bolton were all over the Embankment.

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14 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

For the life of me I cant imagine 70k cramming into Burnden.  The biggest crowds I was part of were Spurs/Fulham in 77-78, about 33,000 and it seemed absolutely packed.  But I know there were 50k for the Everton semi and surely that was the absolute maximum at the time?  I think the fact that the average height/weight of a human has reduced over the decades has to be a factor.  If they were calculating capacity for Burnden now there's no way they'd be suggesting 70k, nearer 50k I bet.

I've been on with 62,000 & 63,000.

My memory is that it was claimed to be a 68,000 max.

The Embankment 28,000, as stated above, also rings bells.

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37 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

About right at 36000 Bolton and 14000 Everton. Apart from Wembley what’s the biggest Bolton away following? I would guess at Blackburn 1978 where I would say we had 20000 Bolton on

Same season at Blackpool - day after Boxing day seem to remember it being reported 20k Bolton

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