tomski Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I remember things didn’t turn out too well for him but watched that documentary about his court case last night and he really did seem to suffer from the whole ordeal. 25 years on has the Bosman ruling been good or bad? Like anything I suspect it’s been a bit of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted December 10, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 10, 2020 Great for agents, great for us in the BSA era. It’s probably 70/30 in having done more good than harm to the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted December 10, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) Good wasn't it, the documentary, not what happened to Bosman Would say more good than bad, particularly for players, agents and clubs bringing in players Recall it was not so good for Ajax, their academy was a conveyor belt of top quality young talent at the time which they'd eventually sell on, but at the time they stopped investing so much time and money into it as it was deemed pointless if all the players they developed left for nothing Edited December 10, 2020 by ZicoKelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Good wasn't it, the documentary, not what happened to Bosman Would say more good than bad, particularly for players, agents and clubs bringing in players Recall it was not so good for Ajax, their academy was a conveyor belt of top quality young talent at the time which they'd eventually sell on, but at the time they stopped investing so much time and money into it as it was deemed pointless if all the players they developed left for nothing Aye. I remember at the time thinking it will be a disaster but looking back the contract rules were wrong but you can’t help feel it’s gone a bit too far the other way. I didn’t like the suggestions of a closed shop in top divisions or following American plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted December 10, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, tomski said: Aye. I remember at the time thinking it will be a disaster but looking back the contract rules were wrong but you can’t help feel it’s gone a bit too far the other way. I didn’t like the suggestions of a closed shop in top divisions or following American plan. yeah, that's when I thought "put the bottle down Jean" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted December 10, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 10, 2020 article on Ajax and Bosman: https://www.besoccer.com/new/twenty-five-years-on-glory-for-ajax-and-the-bosman-ruling-which-changed-football-840140 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted December 10, 2020 Members Share Posted December 10, 2020 Pirlo Milan to Juve must be the best Bosman But the one that sticks out is Sol Campbell Spurs to Arsenal. No wonder Spurs fans hate him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted December 10, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 10, 2020 best one we had must be Okocha, cost PSG £10M 4 years earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted December 10, 2020 Members Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: best one we had must be Okocha, cost PSG £10M 4 years earlier Definitely . I remember being at school and the rumour was going about and I was thinking how the hell can we sign him, no way we could afford his wages. When we did I had to double check it was the okocha, and not his Ethiopian cousin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted December 10, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Rudy said: Definitely . I remember being at school and the rumour was going about and I was thinking how the hell can we sign him, no way we could afford his wages. When we did I had to double check it was the okocha, and not his Ethiopian cousin aye, I had to double check when we signed Djorkaeff that it was him and never for one second, when watching Okocha turn it on at France 98, did I think we'd be in for players like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannyroader Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 We lost out with Tal Ben Haim and Elmander, any others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Mannyroader said: We lost out with Tal Ben Haim and Elmander, any others? Ibrahim Ba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted December 10, 2020 Members Share Posted December 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Traf said: Ibrahim Ba I bet the club were furious when we signed him. £1 a letter. Luckily he was shite so not many kids wanted his name on their shirts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) We were linked with Okocha when England played Nigeria at the WC2002. Best player on the pitch. Edited December 10, 2020 by jayjayoghani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 We stole Stelios too. Overall though, for me, the freedom of contract thingie has simply made very rich players into stinking rich ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwen_white Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 10 hours ago, tomski said: I remember things didn’t turn out too well for him but watched that documentary about his court case last night and he really did seem to suffer from the whole ordeal. 25 years on has the Bosman ruling been good or bad? Like anything I suspect it’s been a bit of both. I remember at the time saying it would be the end of transfer fees with clubs just needing to wait for a player's contract to end and then, "sign him on a Bosman" Not like me to be wrong 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Faustus Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 What was it on? I'll watch that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, darwen_white said: I remember at the time saying it would be the end of transfer fees with clubs just needing to wait for a player's contract to end and then, "sign him on a Bosman" Not like me to be wrong 🤔 It was a reasonable assumption, but of course its turned out that if you're any good no club will let you get near to the last year of your contract. Win win for the decent players, they're already on zillions a week then the club says "here, double it to sign on again even though there's 18 months left". And if you refuse they sell you and you make a fortune out of another club instead. A pity for Bosman that he doesn't get 0.001% of every inflated contract he's responsible for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 9 hours ago, Mannyroader said: We lost out with Tal Ben Haim and Elmander, any others? Gerry Taggart was a big loss at the time. Diouf also. Both had been signed for what was big money for us at the time they signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Dr Faustus said: What was it on? I'll watch that BT sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, RoadRunnerFan said: Gerry Taggart was a big loss at the time. Diouf also. Both had been signed for what was big money for us at the time they signed. Didnt we sell Diuof for £2m to the Mackems? Edited December 10, 2020 by Duck Egg Forgot the ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 34 minutes ago, Duck Egg said: Didnt we sell Diuof for £2m to the Mackems? Correct sir come to think of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naytch Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 I suppose the Bosman ruling led to us selling Cahill for a shit amount rather than him going for free 6 months later. Wasn't Matty Taylor another we paid alot for who ended up leaving on a free after a few years? There must be quite a few like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWFC_LOVE Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Naytch said: I suppose the Bosman ruling led to us selling Cahill for a shit amount rather than him going for free 6 months later. Should’ve just fucking kept him instead of swapping him for Ream and Sordell. I remember watching Okocha shine in the 2002 World Cup and thinking surely we can’t be front runners to sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted December 11, 2020 Author Share Posted December 11, 2020 41 minutes ago, Naytch said: I suppose the Bosman ruling led to us selling Cahill for a shit amount rather than him going for free 6 months later. Wasn't Matty Taylor another we paid alot for who ended up leaving on a free after a few years? There must be quite a few like that. Think we sold Taylor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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