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Meanwhile in Ukraine

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China offering to mediate is not a bad thing of itself, but agreeing to that suggestion would be madness, not only for the west in acceding to Russia, but potentially, in giving China a green light to make a move on Taiwan.

 

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    Its appeasement, that's all it is, and more people will end up dying in the longer term if you essentially capitulate to agressors. These aren't peace deals in the slightest.

  • We’ve reached a point where folk are so entrenched in their support for trump that they’ll side with Putin if it means not losing face on the socials. Thats where we are now. its ok

  • That Vance is a bigger cunt than Trump 

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17 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

China offering to mediate is not a bad thing of itself, but agreeing to that suggestion would be madness, not only for the west in acceding to Russia, but potentially, in giving China a green light to make a move on Taiwan.

Which is probably the real motive behind the "peace" plan.

59 minutes ago, Traf said:

Which is probably the real motive behind the "peace" plan.

Absolutely. 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/podcasts/chinese-whispers/

This lady was talking about it earlier, seems to know her stuff, and was reckoning China will want to be heavily involved in the reconstruction of Ukraine afterwards, so they won't want to be pissing Zelenskyy off too much. Politicking of the highest order.

If folk want to listen to an expert on this - I'd suggest Fiona Hill (not sure if peope are aware of her?) Grew up in County Durham but now a US citizen and foreign advisor to a number of presidents. Good listen here - and certainly not partisan. Might buy her new book.

 

6 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

If folk want to listen to an expert on this - I'd suggest Fiona Hill (not sure if peope are aware of her?) Grew up in County Durham but now a US citizen and foreign advisor to a number of presidents. Good listen here - and certainly not partisan. Might buy her new book.

 

Sorry - only to say she isn't glowing about Trump, but as she's not a politician she does it is a very clear and unemotional way. Which, in many ways, is harder on what he was like as a leader than any sort of emotional outburst.

Although she does say, the best prep for working in his administration would have been re-reading Alice in Wonderland just how distanced from reality it was, and the similarities between Brexit and Trump's election and how to un-cover Russia's involvement in the US as a security advisor.

Really facinating stuff.

 

That is just unbelievable footage.

How did it end up?!

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

How did it end up?!

Although you'd think surely he now looks like mulligatawny soup he survived and posted a video laughing his head off later in the thread!

18 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

 

That is just unbelievable footage.

Thats is why "even" if the Russians win, they wont ... they will be hassled at every turn for years to come. 

12 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

Thats is why "even" if the Russians win, they wont ... they will be hassled at every turn for years to come. 

Oh it would be just low intensity brutal carnage for years and years I can't understand how they can see what happened in Chechnya and think another occupation would go down well. 

So difficult to square away what Putins motives and intentions are without just thinking he's blown um.

Scary shit that footage.

I was hoping some one would take out the APC.

As the war is still raging and thousands on both sides being killed, I personally do not think Russian or Belarussian tennis players should be allowed at Wimbledon this year yet there are already calls for them to be allowed, I see Sir Andy Murray has had his say the spineless cnut (IMO)

Just read a book about Stalingrad.

Russia are used to winning shitty, drawn out wars against armies with superior weapons.

I know times have changed, but mentalities haven’t and they could well end up making big gains by the summer.

just hope Ukraine get the hardware they need as that looks like their best chance now 

1 hour ago, athywhite1958 said:

As the war is still raging and thousands on both sides being killed, I personally do not think Russian or Belarussian tennis players should be allowed at Wimbledon this year yet there are already calls for them to be allowed, I see Sir Andy Murray has had his say the spineless cnut (IMO)

I've mixed feelings about the tennis debate.

The competitors aren't representing their country (in most forms) and there is an argument that by allowing them to play, shows up Putin's argument that the west is out to get Russia etc. Moreover if the players came out and condemned him, then it might help enlighten the public back in Russia.

However, you could forgive a player for not speaking out as there is always the risk they'd slip through an upstairs window into a strawberry and Pimms tent.

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Just read a book about Stalingrad.

Russia are used to winning shitty, drawn out wars against armies with superior weapons.

I know times have changed, but mentalities haven’t and they could well end up making big gains by the summer.

just hope Ukraine get the hardware they need as that looks like their best chance now 

The film is ace.

My Dad is a world war 2 anorak. Had us all watching it when I was a kid.

Has that Beau chap been queit of late?

4 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Has that Beau chap been queit of late?

No, he just hasn't talked about Russia this week. This is his last video about Russia:

 

2 hours ago, Spider said:

Just read a book about Stalingrad.

I'm halfway through one, probably the same one.

1 minute ago, Traf said:

I'm halfway through one, probably the same one.

Probably. Saw the recommendation and bought it,

brutal stuff

Russian strikes have caused Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant to lose external power again. This is the sort of shit that leads to major escalation.

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11 hours ago, Spider said:

Probably. Saw the recommendation and bought it,

brutal stuff

Which book is it? I need some new reading material.

Russia by Antony Beever (one for the Peep Show fans) is currently in my book circulation - know very little baout Russian history and its a good intro, along with Ask a Historian (well worth it - loads odd odd questions answered) and Where The Crawdads Sing which is surpirisingly very good.

1 hour ago, lobbypond said:

Which book is it? I need some new reading material.

Stalingrad by Antony Beevor

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