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9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

It must mean therefore that the USA and others are backfilling these planes.

Or they’re simply retiring and replacing aging planes and rather than sending to scrap they still have a few years life in them.

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4 hours ago, MickyD said:

Or they’re simply retiring and replacing aging planes and rather than sending to scrap they still have a few years life in them.

Replacing aging planes is backfilling. That's part of the reason why they weren't sent initially, as America wasn't for sending replacement (f16s) to Poland for example. 

Buying new military equipment requires agreements and restrictions from supplying countries, and is a slow process. As such, in order to send them to Ukraine, in an unexpected, and perhaps earlier than planned process, requires replacements that haven't necessarily been ordered yet. Hence backfilling.

 

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27 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Not seen confirmation anywhere else but this is good news. Not what Putin wanted when he started is ‘special military operation’

Excellent. 

Sweden might be a bit trickier, but I think it will happen. Good thing is that we've been signing mutual assistance agreements with them anyway, which is strengthening the alliance too.

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The Chinese proposal to end the war that Putin and Xi discussed isn't unreasonable IMO. I know that it doesn't mention territory which Putin won't like and that the Yanks won't like it because they didn't come up with it but seems a reasonable starting point to me.

Moreover, there's it's difficult to argue against any of it so dissenters will be seen to be twats on the world stage.

And this budding relationship between Russia and China is shaping up not to be what Putin was hoping for - he's Xi's bitch.

 

China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis

2023-02-24 09:00

1. Respecting the sovereignty of all countries. Universally recognized international law, including the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter, must be strictly observed. The sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all countries must be effectively upheld. All countries, big or small, strong or weak, rich or poor, are equal members of the international community. All parties should jointly uphold the basic norms governing international relations and defend international fairness and justice. Equal and uniform application of international law should be promoted, while double standards must be rejected. 

2. Abandoning the Cold War mentality. The security of a country should not be pursued at the expense of others. The security of a region should not be achieved by strengthening or expanding military blocs. The legitimate security interests and concerns of all countries must be taken seriously and addressed properly. There is no simple solution to a complex issue. All parties should, following the vision of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security and bearing in mind the long-term peace and stability of the world, help forge a balanced, effective and sustainable European security architecture. All parties should oppose the pursuit of one’s own security at the cost of others’ security, prevent bloc confrontation, and work together for peace and stability on the Eurasian Continent.

3. Ceasing hostilities. Conflict and war benefit no one. All parties must stay rational and exercise restraint, avoid fanning the flames and aggravating tensions, and prevent the crisis from deteriorating further or even spiraling out of control. All parties should support Russia and Ukraine in working in the same direction and resuming direct dialogue as quickly as possible, so as to gradually deescalate the situation and ultimately reach a comprehensive ceasefire. 

4. Resuming peace talks. Dialogue and negotiation are the only viable solution to the Ukraine crisis. All efforts conducive to the peaceful settlement of the crisis must be encouraged and supported. The international community should stay committed to the right approach of promoting talks for peace, help parties to the conflict open the door to a political settlement as soon as possible, and create conditions and platforms for the resumption of negotiation. China will continue to play a constructive role in this regard. 

5. Resolving the humanitarian crisis. All measures conducive to easing the humanitarian crisis must be encouraged and supported. Humanitarian operations should follow the principles of neutrality and impartiality, and humanitarian issues should not be politicized. The safety of civilians must be effectively protected, and humanitarian corridors should be set up for the evacuation of civilians from conflict zones. Efforts are needed to increase humanitarian assistance to relevant areas, improve humanitarian conditions, and provide rapid, safe and unimpeded humanitarian access, with a view to preventing a humanitarian crisis on a larger scale. The UN should be supported in playing a coordinating role in channeling humanitarian aid to conflict zones.

6. Protecting civilians and prisoners of war (POWs). Parties to the conflict should strictly abide by international humanitarian law, avoid attacking civilians or civilian facilities, protect women, children and other victims of the conflict, and respect the basic rights of POWs. China supports the exchange of POWs between Russia and Ukraine, and calls on all parties to create more favorable conditions for this purpose.

7. Keeping nuclear power plants safe. China opposes armed attacks against nuclear power plants or other peaceful nuclear facilities, and calls on all parties to comply with international law including the Convention on Nuclear Safety (CNS) and resolutely avoid man-made nuclear accidents. China supports the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in playing a constructive role in promoting the safety and security of peaceful nuclear facilities.

8. Reducing strategic risks. Nuclear weapons must not be used and nuclear wars must not be fought. The threat or use of nuclear weapons should be opposed. Nuclear proliferation must be prevented and nuclear crisis avoided. China opposes the research, development and use of chemical and biological weapons by any country under any circumstances.

9. Facilitating grain exports. All parties need to implement the Black Sea Grain Initiative signed by Russia, Türkiye, Ukraine and the UN fully and effectively in a balanced manner, and support the UN in playing an important role in this regard. The cooperation initiative on global food security proposed by China provides a feasible solution to the global food crisis.

10. Stopping unilateral sanctions. Unilateral sanctions and maximum pressure cannot solve the issue; they only create new problems. China opposes unilateral sanctions unauthorized by the UN Security Council. Relevant countries should stop abusing unilateral sanctions and “long-arm jurisdiction” against other countries, so as to do their share in deescalating the Ukraine crisis and create conditions for developing countries to grow their economies and better the lives of their people.

11. Keeping industrial and supply chains stable. All parties should earnestly maintain the existing world economic system and oppose using the world economy as a tool or weapon for political purposes. Joint efforts are needed to mitigate the spillovers of the crisis and prevent it from disrupting international cooperation in energy, finance, food trade and transportation and undermining the global economic recovery.

12. Promoting post-conflict reconstruction. The international community needs to take measures to support post-conflict reconstruction in conflict zones. China stands ready to provide assistance and play a constructive role in this endeavor.

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2 hours ago, Spider said:

That’s basically GB News in russian

Whilst both try to whip up nationalist/populist fervour by spreading lies and speculation, RT has the advantage of being fully controlled by the state so there's little competition and the viewing figures are massive.

GB News is widely regarded as a joke in the UK, but RT is taken very seriously in Russia and as a result millions of people do actually believe they are at war with the corrupt West, that Russia is on a mission to save the world and that nuclear war is almost inevitable.

 

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4 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

Whilst both try to whip up nationalist/populist fervour by spreading lies and speculation, RT has the advantage of being fully controlled by the state so there's little competition and the viewing figures are massive.

GB News is widely regarded as a joke in the UK, but RT is taken very seriously in Russia and as a result millions of people do actually believe they are at war with the corrupt West, that Russia is on a mission to save the world and that nuclear war is almost inevitable.

 

Some utter bollocks on there. Not surprising though.

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RT is a laugh a minute. One of the panellists passed out live on air under the weight of the bullshit the other day.

Here's the main evening presenter Solyovov's thoughts on Rishi Sunak...

In the last week they've talked tactically about nuking various European and American cities and destroying the transatlantic cable links between the US and Europe but in this clip we're talking Jihad against the Devil...

 

 

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Do Russia not have hordes of tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nonces like we do?

Surely theres some Russian StevieB's refusing to believe anything their government say and point to the rest of the world cracking on without em?

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1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Do Russia not have hordes of tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nonces like we do?

Surely theres some Russian StevieB's refusing to believe anything their government say and point to the rest of the world cracking on without em?

No doubt. Perhaps they don't all live in bungalows though, and are wary of upstairs windows.

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2 hours ago, gonzo said:

Do Russia not have hordes of tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nonces like we do?

Surely theres some Russian StevieB's refusing to believe anything their government say and point to the rest of the world cracking on without em?

Rent free. 

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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/mar/30/vulkan-files-leak-reveals-putins-global-and-domestic-cyberwarfare-tactics

Another here, and not behind a wall. :)

On a similar note, the USA has instructed all of its citizens living or travelling in Russia to get out.

Meanwhile Cargill and another huge grain company have announced the ceasing of distribution of products from Russia.

Prices on markets on the way up, so some rises on bread etc may filter through.

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