Meanwhile In America

[Dimron]

56 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Fundamentalist whackjobs 

With votes

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, Dimron said:

With votes

Frightening 

[Dimron]

And Guns

[Dimron]

We have married friends, she is American and he is English. They were living in NY State but have this year permanently relocated to Norfolk as they really believe that civil war is about to break out... frightening

[Spider]

11 hours ago, Sweep said:

what's actually going on here?

That’s how Elvis pegged it.

We can but hope.

[kent_white]

5 minutes ago, Dimron said:

We have married friends, she is American and he is English. They were living in NY State but have this year permanently relocated to Norfolk as they really believe that civil war is about to break out... frightening

I can't believe we're seriously even considering it as a possibility. 

But some of the talk from Trump of late has been shocking. 'Enemy within' and all that. Dangerous words. 

[bolty58]

12 hours ago, Sweep said:

what's actually going on here?

Happy to help. As a confirmed atheist I would class this as nothing more than more fucking virtue signalling. I would be genuinely shocked if a single one of them in that photo is being sincere.

All contrived for the cameras to mobilise the sheep in the bible belt.

Of course I still hope he wins just for who it would render utterly despondent 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Happy to help. As a confirmed atheist I would class this as nothing more than more fucking virtue signalling. I would be genuinely shocked if a single one of them in that photo is being sincere.

All contrived for the cameras to mobilise the sheep in the bible belt.

Of course I still hope he wins just for who it would render utterly despondent 

He's simply weird though.

She seems happy to plagiarise.

A sad do.

[Bertie]

It’s unbelievable that half of US voters will be voting for someone who is such an absolute disgrace to humanity.  Being voted in once in 2016 was bad enough, but twice??  Deary me.  It’s not as though Americans don’t know what they’re going to get with him (corruption, greed, racism, sexism, adoration for dictators and distain for democracy etc etc) so we can only assume this is what they want.  A US friend said a few years back that Trump didn’t create these views, but just legitimised them for his “base”. Still why anyone would vote for someone who is clearly so thick is beyond me. The only things he’s good at sadly are projection and gaslighting.  The main worry I think though is that he is not the main danger, rather the Project 2025 lunatics lurking in the shadows. Worrying times not just for US democracy but also global stability.  Nothing that’s not been said on the previous 123 pages I’m sure, but with their election 2 weeks away I fear the worst based on the latest polls.  Only in America.

[Not in Crawley]

3 minutes ago, Bertie said:

It’s unbelievable that half of US voters will be voting for someone who is such an absolute disgrace to humanity.  Being voted in once in 2016 was bad enough, but twice??  Deary me.  It’s not as though Americans don’t know what they’re going to get with him (corruption, greed, racism, sexism, adoration for dictators and distain for democracy etc etc) so we can only assume this is what they want.  A US friend said a few years back that Trump didn’t create these views, but just legitimised them for his “base”. Still why anyone would vote for someone who is clearly so thick is beyond me. The only things he’s good at sadly are projection and gaslighting.  The main worry I think though is that he is not the main danger, rather the Project 2025 lunatics lurking in the shadows. Worrying times not just for US democracy but also global stability.  Nothing that’s not been said on the previous 123 pages I’m sure, but with their election 2 weeks away I fear the worst based on the latest polls.  Only in America.

Given what the last 14 years has brought this country I wouldn't be quite so dismissive of our cousins across the pond.

Populism shifted the Overton window, so that what 15-20 years ago would seem outlandish is now the norm, where a person running for president can say outwardly dangerous things and sail close to the wind on facist/dictator style rhetoric and its normalised and even promoted by supporters and certain media channels.

I mean, I'm pretty sure Bolty is in full comand of his faculities and not a stupid man but look at how he defends this, moves the target when there is critisims and doesn't see anything wrong with saying things like a benign dictatorship is the best sort of government without irony. Anyone posting stuff like that 15 years ago would have be laughed at quite rightly, but this is where the political frame is currently. One hopes we can start shifting the dial a little bit.

[bolty58]

57 minutes ago, Bertie said:

It’s unbelievable that half of US voters will be voting for someone who is such an absolute disgrace to humanity.  

With you brother. She is absolutely atrocious. Sinister too.

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He's simply weird though.

She seems happy to plagiarise.

A sad do.

As has been said many time before in this thread - surely they can put two up way better than these two?

Still, entertainment value.

Edited October 25, 2024 by bolty58

[gonzo]

If you see past Trumps behaviour was he not actually doing a pretty decent job with the economy etc?

[Bertie]

15 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

With you brother. She is absolutely atrocious. Sinister too.

I can see what you did there.  I don’t know you and you don’t know me, although from scrolling previous pages it’s clear what you feel strongly on, and that’s fine of course on a message board with free speech.  I don’t think anyone can deny though that between Trump and Harris only one of them is talking about the “enemy within” and using the National Guard against opposition groups.

Oh, and so there’s no misunderstanding that’s Trump btw. The one with fascist views.

If you’d want to live in such a country then good for you.

[Bertie]

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

If you see past Trumps behaviour was he not actually doing a pretty decent job with the economy etc?

Can’t disagree with some of that, but how much was Obama’s legacy is hard to discern?  One thing for sure though was the millionaires and billionaires loved DJTs policies.

[kent_white]

27 minutes ago, gonzo said:

If you see past Trumps behaviour was he not actually doing a pretty decent job with the economy etc?

In general there was good economic growth and low unemployment during his presidency (barring COVID).

But it's hard to tell how much if that was down to DT and how much of it was actions from the previous administration paying off. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Trump is a bit more insular, and willing to protect American industry.

Pros and cons of such an approach. 

Wish we'd stop some poor quality tat entering from the far east.

As an aside, this banning of disposable vapes for sale is great.

Pity they're not banning the import of them.

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Trump is a bit more insular, and willing to protect American industry.

Pros and cons of such an approach. 

Wish we'd stop some poor quality tat entering from the far east.

As an aside, this banning of disposable vapes for sale is great.

Pity they're not banning the import of them.

Disposable vapes are an outrage, and 100% should be banned from being allowed into the country

[gonzo]

19 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Disposable vapes are an outrage, and 100% should be banned from being allowed into the country

Be one big fuck off health crisis when they find out they've been fucking people.

[Dimron]

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

If you see past Trumps behaviour was he not actually doing a pretty decent job with the economy etc?

He put Little Rocket Man back into his box... he thought bloody hell this man is a bigger lunatic gangster than me with half the world's nuclear stockpile to hand...

[Dimron]

Just now, gonzo said:

Be one big fuck off health crisis when they find out they've been fucking people.

We ban VOCs in paint and then put them into cigarette substitutes!

[Sweep]

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Be one big fuck off health crisis when they find out they've been fucking people.

along with "energy" drinks, they're another ticking time bomb I reckon

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

Disposable vapes are an outrage, and 100% should be banned from being allowed into the country

A bloke from the "industry" was on the radio. What an absolute tool he was.

I'm paraphrasing:

It will be a disaster, as (60 iirc) % of vapes are disposable, so it will stop people from vaping and push people the other way.

No mention that rechargeable ones are available, and are cheaper to use once initial purchase. Common sense says these types are more likely to be used by adults who are long term users. 

Disposable ones, with "kid" flavours are without doubt more attractive to younger folks, who may not have a regular income and will buy them on a piecemeal basis.

Additionally, the number thrown away every day is astronomical, with enough lithium lost over the year to power 5000 electric vehicles. (Might not be bang on with those numbers, as I can't remember all the details, but it's a ridiculously high number).

[DazBob]

A refillable and rechargeable vape only costs around £20. Refills come in a million diifferent flavours too, even kiddy friendly ones.

Kids will just move onto these. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

13 minutes ago, DazBob said:

A refillable and rechargeable vape only costs around £20. Refills come in a million diifferent flavours too, even kiddy friendly ones.

Kids will just move onto these. 

Maybe they will. 

Just proves the the chap was chatting shit.

The main point for me- as mentioned in the proposal- is the environmental impact.

There are numerous such examples of unnecessary shit being sold.