Meanwhile In America

[mickbrown]

This may be simplistic, but maybe helicopters shouldn't e flying anywhere near an airports landing and take off paths

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Maybe the window licker was the supervisor who allowed another window locker to leave early? 1 Person in charge of all the air traffic control 🤷🏻

This is beginning to ring like an infamous collision between a BEA Trident and a Yugoslavian DC9 over Zagreb in the mid 70s... one Air Traffic Controller holding the fort after another phoned in sick and another wasn't at their work station... the poor guy got slated 

[Dimron]

40 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

This may be simplistic, but maybe helicopters shouldn't e flying anywhere near an airports landing and take off paths

Spot n but Americans love their helicopters, especially in Washington DC... this is a route often taken by Marine One and the Pentagon.

A good friend of mine was flying his 747 into JFK and overshot his approach because he wasn't happy with what was hearing on the RT regarding the low level helicopter corridor below... Outcome? In his own words he was "punished" by the Air Traffic Controller by being put back into the hold for 30 mins and he was on the verge of calling a fuel "PAN" call when he was finally cleared again.

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

Looks like the fault of the Black Hawk pilot to me but I could be wrong so will leave judgment up to the ACI's.

Certainly not "quotas" or other deranged shite.

No "fault" as such... we are looking at a 3 way team effort... ATCO, Airline Pilot, Rotorhead... no one wanted to die but they were working with the hand they had no matter how shitty

[Winchester White]

2 minutes ago, Dimron said:

No "fault" as such... we are looking at a 3 way team effort... ATCO, Airline Pilot, Rotorhead... no one wanted to die but they were working with the hand they had no matter how shitty

Why does a helicopter need to ever cross the exact flight path of a landing plane? I am asking this as you seem to know these things?

I know it's DC so there is loads of military activity but surely this is just rule number 1?

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Winchester White said:

Why does a helicopter need to ever cross the exact flight path of a landing plane? I am asking this as you seem to know these things?

I know it's DC so there is loads of military activity but surely this is just rule number 1?

They don't, obviously. Somebody fucked up.

Edited January 31, 2025 by Cheese

[tyldesley_white]

5 minutes ago, Dimron said:

No "fault" as such... we are looking at a 3 way team effort... ATCO, Airline Pilot, Rotorhead... no one wanted to die but they were working with the hand they had no matter how shitty

If the Rotorhead as you put out had not exceed the 200ft ceiling for that route, then it would not have happened, the air line pilot had been given clearance to land

[tyldesley_white]

3 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Why does a helicopter need to ever cross the exact flight path of a landing plane? I am asking this as you seem to know these things?

I know it's DC so there is loads of military activity but surely this is just rule number 1?

Again if they had stayed in their assigned altitude widow, they would have passed under the jet,  close but under 

[Winchester White]

Just now, tyldesley_white said:

Again if they had stayed in their assigned altitude widow, they would have passed under the jet,  close but under 

It's almost like altitude windows are there for a reason. Who knew?

It's not like every plane landing at that airport takes pretty much the exact same landing approach especially given it has a short runway.

[Dimron]

5 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

Again if they had stayed in their assigned altitude widow, they would have passed under the jet,  close but under 

From what I have seen, at the distance to run, flying a stable approach the jet would have been at 300 ft, some reports say lower... If the helicopter was below and "close" the downdraft from the rotors could contribute to a collision, nothing like two fixed wings whizzing past each other

[royal white]

Just now, Dimron said:

From what I have seen, at the distance to run, flying a stable approach the jet would have been at 300 ft, some reports say lower... If the helicopter was below and "close" the downdraft from the rotors could contribute to a collision, nothing like two fixed wings whizzing past each other

That’s just what I was going to say 👀

[Dimron]

18 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Why does a helicopter need to ever cross the exact flight path of a landing plane? I am asking this as you seem to know these things?

I know it's DC so there is loads of military activity but surely this is just rule number 1?

Agreed... I have never flown into these high traffic US airports so can only offer what I am told along with a lifetime passion for aviation, I have a Commercial Licence (not an Airline Licence) and I instruct on gliders.

It is so basic, the main runway at Reagan is parallel to the helicopter corridor but there is a shorter runway that conflicts with the corridor ideal for the smaller aircraft I am familiar with and commuter/business jets. To me this is "Indian Country" where you really do need eyes in the back of your head... the airline friend I referred to used to literally freak out when we flew into smaller airfields where it was almost every man for himself.... but that is what I am used to.

However this sort of visual traffic management should not be allowed at the US Capital's airport

[Cheese]

11 minutes ago, Dimron said:

From what I have seen, at the distance to run, flying a stable approach the jet would have been at 300 ft, some reports say lower... If the helicopter was below and "close" the downdraft from the rotors could contribute to a collision, nothing like two fixed wings whizzing past each other

Helicopters are the opposite of "fixed wing".

[Dimron]

29 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

If the Rotorhead as you put out had not exceed the 200ft ceiling for that route, then it would not have happened, the air line pilot had been given clearance to land

Yes, the airline crew would have been looking straight ahead secure in their clearance and looking forward to a piss break and a brew, concentrating on the strip of concrete appearing in their lights at 150mph. They would have been trusting the other two team players were on top of the game but as we now know communication had identification had broken down.

The rotorhead would have had that "Oh Shit" moment before meeting his maker

RIP all

 

[Winchester White]

4 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Yes, the airline crew would have been looking straight ahead secure in their clearance and looking forward to a piss break and a brew, concentrating on the strip of concrete appearing in their lights at 150mph. They would have been trusting the other two team players were on top of the game but as we now know communication had identification had broken down.

The rotorhead would have had that "Oh Shit" moment before meeting his maker

RIP all

 

We all know someone fucked up.

[Dimron]

Just now, Winchester White said:

We all know someone fucked up.

Whoever approved the low level corridor... the pilots and ATCO were just the unfortunate players

[kent_white]

Was listening earlier, to an ex military helicopter pilot who claimed that he used to fly that route 3 times a week. He was saying that at night time you can't get a visual fix on planes coming into land because of the glare from the city lights. 

From what he was saying it sounded like an accident waiting to happen. 

PS - did you like how I said 'visual fix'?

I think it made me sound all manly and pilotlike 🫡

[Casino]

2 hours ago, Cheese said:

Somebody fucked up.

A black lesbian dwaf in a wheel chair

#common sense

[Casino]

3 hours ago, royal white said:

Casino the extremist. Who’d of thunk it. 

Not at all

But i did have a member of my family confined to a wheel chair through no fault of her own

She died way too soon, but held down a responsible job all her life

She was worth a 1000 trumps

Fuck him

 

[royal white]

23 minutes ago, Casino said:

Not at all

But i did have a member of my family confined to a wheel chair through no fault of her own

She died way too soon, but held down a responsible job all her life

She was worth a 1000 trumps

Fuck him

 

Fair play to your family member. However did they get a job over a more qualified person because of their disability? as I’m sure that is what Trump is referring to.

[Casino]

Just now, royal white said:

Fair play to your family member. However did they get a job over a more qualified person because of their disability? as I’m sure that is what Trump is referring to.

Trump hadnt got a clue about what caused the accident

But, his common sense told him it was the fault of a minority

Sorry, but the vile cunt can die and ill not bat an eyelid

[athywhite1958]

My mode of transport for the past 5 years has been a mobility scooter, through no fault of my own, and I still have a responsible full time job, so I agree with Casino - fuck Trump

[royal white]

Just now, Casino said:

Trump hadnt got a clue about what caused the accident

But, his common sense told him it was the fault of a minority

Sorry, but the vile cunt can die and ill not bat an eyelid

Extremist 

[bolty58]

13 hours ago, kent_white said:

This was his opening gambit by the way! 

"I honestly think that Hitler was a good guy based upon my own research, not my public education indoctrination. I really do think before Hitler got on meth, he was a guy I’d go fishing with. He fought for his country. He wanted to purify it by kicking the greedy Jews out that were destroying his country and turning them all into gays.” 😅

Clearly demented (him. not you).

[bolty58]

12 hours ago, Sweep said:

I don't want him murdered, I'd like him not to be in charge though, as I think he's dangerous

 

is Casino an extremist?

If he is advocating the murder of a person with contrary political views to his own then 'yes'.