the last shooting / things that go on in America thread has definitely dissappeared

anyway

not the "happy ending" you would have expected

https://twitter.com/i/events/1371972779893944327

Suspect arrested after eight people, including six Asian women, were killed at Atlanta-area spas

Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed in shootings at three different businesses in Atlanta and Acworth, Georgia, on Tuesday, according to local police. A male suspect was arrested and charged with several counts of murder on Wednesday, police said. At a press conference in Atlanta on Wednesday, authorities identified the four victims killed in Cherokee County.

 

5 hours ago, Bertie said:

Agreed.  The second amendment is plain daft. Out of date and misused/misinterpreted vrs the intent of the founding fathers (imho). That said most Americans (democrats and republicans) seem wedded to their guns and are happy to live in a country which has the highest murder rate from guns. Many dems tbf do want law reform but the NRA and gun lobby will see that doesn’t happen by their $$ donations to politicians.

Aside from all that and accepting today’s reality, lawfully carrying a gun and lawfully going to a demonstration does not excuse being murdered in cold blood by an (alleged) law enforcement agency. The sheer hypocrisy of (most) republican politicians and supporters is staggering. The US has turned into an authoritarian state in the last 12 months. And to think some folk deny this reality.

 

Most don't really deny it. They celebrate it and defend it

There's a guy on the top table (well, until about 5 hours ago), who prowled the streets dressed up as a Nazi, did Nazi salutes, strapped gas canisters and guns to his chest and leg and hung around with an armed, government backed militia who proudly stated that if you referred to him as the Gestapo or a Fascist, you're likely to get shot in the face.

And this guy is so fucking popular with the right

17 hours ago, bolty58 said:

And the preceding parts the BBC and other biased news outlets don't want to show you?

Obstruction clear and simple. Lights out. Good night.

Fucking hell mate. You've totally lost it on this one! 😁

I've seen footage from every conceivable angle on Instagram. Including the build up. 

You're either blind or on a wind up.

Even uncle Donald is a bit disturbed! 

13 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

 

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

 

Obviously your man didn’t deserve to get  dead, but why the fuck would you go out and do this knowing what they’re  like? 

 

 

13 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

That’s Trump dropping dollars.

Dollar dropping.

Art of the deal and all that.

😂

17 hours ago, Bertie said:

Yep.  He was viciously pointing his camera at the ICE Brownshirts. He was protecting the other protester in a really threatening way. You’re as deluded as Trump/Noem/Miller/Bovino and all the other liars.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”.

You really are a halfwit - probably intentionally so.

Search further for Pretti boys obstruction and spitting at ICE agents. Even the biased bastards at the BBC have relented and finally shown preceding activity by the rent-a-mobber.

15 hours ago, Ani said:

It is a crazy world when just because you disagree with a protesters motives you are unconcerned by them getting shot in the face.

Assume if the Police had reacted in the same way on Jan 6th that would have been ok now. As mentioned above I think carrying a gun is daft, taking one to a protest is stupid, but the punishment for daft and stupid is not shot in the head. 

I can't disagree. Better still, if you have doubts about what the authorities might do, don't go to a protest.

Self preservation.

7 hours ago, kent_white said:

Fucking hell mate. You've totally lost it on this one! 😁

I've seen footage from every conceivable angle on Instagram. Including the build up. 

You're either blind or on a wind up.

Even uncle Donald is a bit disturbed! 

No, you seem have lost the plot or are blind but then again, you were eager to accept the lies of Hamas so I shouldn't be surprised.

Seek further and then you can apologise.

As it's you, not one to usually resort to belittlement type tactics (although knowing of certain friendships, probably explicable) I'll save you some time.

https://news.sky.com/story/video-shows-alex-pretti-clash-with-federal-agents-a-week-before-he-was-killed-13500437

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

You really are a halfwit - probably intentionally so.

Search further for Pretti boys obstruction and spitting at ICE agents. Even the biased bastards at the BBC have relented and finally shown preceding activity by the rent-a-mobber.

Ah, ok then. So you’re saying he got what was coming then. He shouldn’t have been protesting. He deserved to be shot 10 times by government officials whilst lying on the floor unarmed.

Good god. I hope you never disagree with anything the Aussie government do then. Otherwise I think you’re saying you’d be ok with them gunning you down in cold blood?!

Democracy or police state eh.

10 minutes ago, Bertie said:

Ah, ok then. So you’re saying he got what was coming then. He shouldn’t have been protesting. He deserved to be shot 10 times by government officials whilst lying on the floor unarmed.

Good god. I hope you never disagree with anything the Aussie government do then. Otherwise I think you’re saying you’d be ok with them gunning you down in cold blood?!

Democracy or police state eh.

You really are a dick aren't you.

I'm saying nothing of the sort. I'm saying if he'd stayed at home instead of acting the cunt and obstructing federal agents going about their lawful business over a period of days and weeks, he'd still be alive.

A proper revelation eh?

If I disagreed with anything the Aussie government did (plenty by the way with the Labor fucking morons we have at present - recognising Palestine for example) I wouldn't be out protesting and spitting at or kicking the vehicles of agents of the law.

I'll register my dissatisfaction at the ballot box. All seems pretti obvious to me.

26 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

You really are a dick aren't you.

I'm saying nothing of the sort. I'm saying if he'd stayed at home instead of acting the cunt and obstructing federal agents going about their lawful business over a period of days and weeks, he'd still be alive.

A proper revelation eh?

If I disagreed with anything the Aussie government did (plenty by the way with the Labor fucking morons we have at present - recognising Palestine for example) I wouldn't be out protesting and spitting at or kicking the vehicles of agents of the law.

I'll register my dissatisfaction at the ballot box. All seems pretti obvious to me.

Yeah right. Laughable. If you believe that you believe anything.

34 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

You really are a dick aren't you.

I'm saying nothing of the sort. I'm saying if he'd stayed at home instead of acting the cunt and obstructing federal agents going about their lawful business over a period of days and weeks, he'd still be alive.

A proper revelation eh?

If I disagreed with anything the Aussie government did (plenty by the way with the Labor fucking morons we have at present - recognising Palestine for example) I wouldn't be out protesting and spitting at or kicking the vehicles of agents of the law.

I'll register my dissatisfaction at the ballot box. All seems pretti obvious to me.

"Stay at home and stop protesting or we'll execute you". Land of the Free eh?

Edited January 29Jan 29 by Cheese

9 hours ago, bolty58 said:

No, you seem have lost the plot or are blind but then again, you were eager to accept the lies of Hamas so I shouldn't be surprised.

Seek further and then you can apologise.

As it's you, not one to usually resort to belittlement type tactics (although knowing of certain friendships, probably explicable) I'll save you some time.

https://news.sky.com/story/video-shows-alex-pretti-clash-with-federal-agents-a-week-before-he-was-killed-13500437

Right - so in your world that means he deserves to get shot 10 times? 

You're a lot happier with authoritarian regimes than I am then. 

4 hours ago, Cheese said:

"Stay at home and stop protesting or we'll execute you". Land of the Free eh?

Or protest  without spitting at officers, damaging vehicles and demanding to be assaulted all whilst being armed. 

He should have been detained upon that criminal damage act.

That being said, I doubt the officers remembered him, and still went overboard with his shooting.

One previous act doesn't justify that level of force neither.

I can believe that in the heightened state they were in, that as the officer removed Pretti's gun, another maybe misinterpreted the situation. Shouldn't have, and maybe training and communication should be better. 

Sadly, I think the open carrying of guns, just leads to more concern, and the greater likelihood of one being used against the carrier.

Bit like knife crime over here.

26 minutes ago, royal white said:

Or protest  without spitting at officers, damaging vehicles and demanding to be assaulted all whilst being armed. 

All of which is stupid and he deserves locking up for. Seen loads of people posting stuff about the guy and how has behaved in the past. 
 

But every thing I have seen or heard just emphasises that he did not do anywhere near enough to be shot numerous times

For instance there is a video off him attacking an ICE vehicle a few days ago, the silly cunt. But the officers at the time did not think that was enough to kill him, so why does anyone suggest it justifies killing him the week after ? 
 

Bring a prick and protesting is not punishable by death in any decent democracy. We are entering ‘he spilt my pint’ land here. As bloke who has just glassed someone might argue. They can now add the victim ‘should have stayed home’ as an excuse people find acceptable. 
 

There is video of plenty of people doing a lot worse during the Capitol riots imagine if the Police got trigger happy that day ? 
 

 

2 hours ago, Ani said:

All of which is stupid and he deserves locking up for. Seen loads of people posting stuff about the guy and how has behaved in the past. 
 

But every thing I have seen or heard just emphasises that he did not do anywhere near enough to be shot numerous times

For instance there is a video off him attacking an ICE vehicle a few days ago, the silly cunt. But the officers at the time did not think that was enough to kill him, so why does anyone suggest it justifies killing him the week after ? 
 

Bring a prick and protesting is not punishable by death in any decent democracy. We are entering ‘he spilt my pint’ land here. As bloke who has just glassed someone might argue. They can now add the victim ‘should have stayed home’ as an excuse people find acceptable. 
 

There is video of plenty of people doing a lot worse during the Capitol riots imagine if the Police got trigger happy that day ? 
 

 

What he was doing wasn’t protesting. It’s inciting violence/assault/criminal damage call It what you want. I can’t believe this mon was a practicing nurse, he clearly had issues. However all that being said he didn’t  deserve to get dead, a few broken limbs and a bit of water boarding would have been suffice. 

1 hour ago, royal white said:

This bit sums it up. Edit - seems to have deleted the bit I meant ‘ he did not deserve to get dead.
 

He was filmed doing worse apparently and no one needed to execute him. The ICE supporters have come out with a series of excuses and justification for it, but they are basically grasping at straws. 
Surprised that no one has mentioned that POTUS has pardoned people for worse. 
 

Edited January 29Jan 29 by Ani

14 hours ago, Bertie said:

Yeah right. Laughable. If you believe that you believe anything.

So you deny that ICE are a legitimate arm of the US government?

Seems it's you that is laughable.

11 hours ago, kent_white said:

Right - so in your world that means he deserves to get shot 10 times? 

You're a lot happier with authoritarian regimes than I am then. 

Where did I say that? In reality, I suspect that numbers 3-10 were just a waste of ammo.

Authoritarian regimes? An interesting comment. The US has just removed one in Venezuela, likely will soon in Iran and hopefully soon will have disarmed one in Gaza.

Which one of these three were you referring to?

6 hours ago, royal white said:

What he was doing wasn’t protesting. It’s inciting violence/assault/criminal damage call It what you want. I can’t believe this mon was a practicing nurse, he clearly had issues. However all that being said he didn’t  deserve to get dead, a few broken limbs and a bit of water boarding would have been suffice. 

Obstruction. That's what he was doing.

Just arrested and tried though. Not shot dead.

Better not to put yourself in the way of harm.

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

So you deny that ICE are a legitimate arm of the US government?

Seems it's you that is laughable.

They shouldn’t be given they are nothing more than a rag tag paramilitary group of racists, but in Trumpland they are, so I’ll give you that one.

It was “lawful business” where we unsurprisingly disagree, as per the number of court cases challenging what they’re doing and how they’re doing it. It’s horrendous.

 

41 minutes ago, Bertie said:

They shouldn’t be given they are nothing more than a rag tag paramilitary group of racists, but in Trumpland they are, so I’ll give you that one.

It was “lawful business” where we unsurprisingly disagree, as per the number of court cases challenging what they’re doing and how they’re doing it. It’s horrendous.

 

Trust me, if Starmer had a similar set up over here our Australian halfwit would be blowing a fuse