Meanwhile In America

[kent_white]

17 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

It is simple is it not.

Instead of trying to block federal agents from going about their legal business, stay at home. Your chances of not being shot are greatly enhanced this way. 

They have a legal right to protest though.

Take that away and really ARE looking at an authoritarian regime.

[jmjhb]

9 minutes ago, kent_white said:

They have a legal right to protest though.

Take that away and really ARE looking at an authoritarian regime.

Pax Americana is dwindling under consecutive gerontocracies.

Sliding into Pax Sinica by the end of the century.

Edited January 26 by jmjhb

[kent_white]

9 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

Pax Americana is dwindling under consecutive gerontocracies.

Sliding into Pax Sinica by the end of the century.

The Chinese have their own problems. Not least their low birthrates,and an elderly population that is booming.

Having said that because of the nature of their government they play a very long game.

Donald Trump has managed to achieve China's strategic goals in a little over a year in office. 

[wiggy]

41 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

It is simple is it not.

Instead of trying to block federal agents from going about their legal business, stay at home. Your chances of not being shot are greatly enhanced this way. 

The problem with Republicans trying to use this argument is that they have spent years arguing "Don't tread on me". They’ve long supported the right to bear arms, protected states right and rejected federal overreach. They’ve previously praised people for turning up to protests not just with weapons on their person but very much on show. Suddenly they’ve abandoned all these principles. I’m guessing the same people saying Pretti should have stayed at home might not have supported the Capitol police if they had chosen to mow down all the protestors who arrived at congress with weapons on January 6th and actually were intent on violence. The hypocrisy would be laughable if it wasn’t so disgusting.

[Spider]

7 hours ago, wiggy said:

The problem with Republicans trying to use this argument is that they have spent years arguing "Don't tread on me". They’ve long supported the right to bear arms, protected states right and rejected federal overreach. They’ve previously praised people for turning up to protests not just with weapons on their person but very much on show. Suddenly they’ve abandoned all these principles. I’m guessing the same people saying Pretti should have stayed at home might not have supported the Capitol police if they had chosen to mow down all the protestors who arrived at congress with weapons on January 6th and actually were intent on violence. The hypocrisy would be laughable if it wasn’t so disgusting.

You’re just upset like George Clooney

[Winchester White]

9 hours ago, bolty58 said:

You'll work it out eventually.

It was such a bad pun it just didn't register.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 hours ago, wiggy said:

The problem with Republicans trying to use this argument is that they have spent years arguing "Don't tread on me". They’ve long supported the right to bear arms, protected states right and rejected federal overreach. They’ve previously praised people for turning up to protests not just with weapons on their person but very much on show. Suddenly they’ve abandoned all these principles. I’m guessing the same people saying Pretti should have stayed at home might not have supported the Capitol police if they had chosen to mow down all the protestors who arrived at congress with weapons on January 6th and actually were intent on violence. The hypocrisy would be laughable if it wasn’t so disgusting.

Not the first time they have exhibited double standards neither.

Taking politics out of it for a moment, folk shouldn't interfere with police etc if they're legitimately going about their lawful work.

Big "if" in there of course.

That is very different to a lawful protest though, and that seems to have become lost in the statements of the authorities.

Definite double standards being applied. 

 

As for Alex Pretti himself; it's clearly within the culture, and in that state legal to carry a firearm but why take one to a protest?

Given the apparent trigger happy nature of some of these ICE characters, give them nothing to use for justification. 

[royal white]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not the first time they have exhibited double standards neither.

Taking politics out of it for a moment, folk shouldn't interfere with police etc if they're legitimately going about their lawful work.

Big "if" in there of course.

That is very different to a lawful protest though, and that seems to have become lost in the statements of the authorities.

Definite double standards being applied. 

 

As for Alex Pretti himself; it's clearly within the culture, and in that state legal to carry a firearm but why take one to a protest?

Given the apparent trigger happy nature of some of these ICE characters, give them nothing to use for justification. 

This is the part I don’t get. The man was an intensive care nurse so obviously has something about him, but taking a pistol to a demo “because he can” is just stupid in my opinion. 

[Sweep]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

This is the part I don’t get. The man was an intensive care nurse so obviously has something about him, but taking a pistol to a demo “because he can” is just stupid in my opinion. 

I agree.

The fact that "normal" folk are allowed to wander around with guns anyway is just utterly bonkers - but that Genie is already out of the bottle, and there is no going back.

At some point in the coming weeks, and as tensions increase further, somebody is going to shoot one of these ICE chaps, and then all hell will break loose.

[frank_spencer]

2nd amendment is there to prevent against a tyrannical government. It's clear many Americans see what ICE is doing as tyrannical. It stands to reason some of those will choose to use that right to carry. Kyle Rittenhouse is a MAGA hero for turning up to a protest armed.

All that aside they'd subdued him and taken away his gun before they shot him. So there should be no excuse for their actions.

[Ani]

32 minutes ago, royal white said:

This is the part I don’t get. The man was an intensive care nurse so obviously has something about him, but taking a pistol to a demo “because he can” is just stupid in my opinion. 

I do not think anyone in this country would disagree with you but is nt it the case that over there folk just take their guns with them everywhere ? When I leave the house it is ‘keys,wallet, phone’ mad to think I need to add ‘concealed weapon’ to the list. 
 

Reading a few Yanks responses to this they are twisting themselves apart. He has a constitutional right to protest and the same right to carry arms. But not now at the same time. The guy below turned up at some protests to ‘protect property’ and shot 3 people killing 2 of them. He was acquitted as one apparently pulled a pistol on him. 
 

Reading about the actual shooting it seems if ICE took his gun off him and then one of them shot it by accident, they are pretty much in the clear as it would be natural to feel threatened in that instance so shooting him 7 times is justified ! (According to one side that is !)

What a mad world. 

 

 

[bolty58]

23 hours ago, kent_white said:

They have a legal right to protest though.

Take that away and really ARE looking at an authoritarian regime.

There's a not too subtle difference between protest and obstruction. Go and protest away from the action - preferably in Antarctica or the Atacama Desert.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

There's a not too subtle difference between protest and obstruction. Go and protest away from the action - preferably in Antarctica or the Atacama Desert.

Take their guns with them too- they can shoot penguins whilst they're at it.

[bolty58]

22 hours ago, wiggy said:

The problem with Republicans trying to use this argument is that they have spent years arguing "Don't tread on me". They’ve long supported the right to bear arms, protected states right and rejected federal overreach. They’ve previously praised people for turning up to protests not just with weapons on their person but very much on show. Suddenly they’ve abandoned all these principles. I’m guessing the same people saying Pretti should have stayed at home might not have supported the Capitol police if they had chosen to mow down all the protestors who arrived at congress with weapons on January 6th and actually were intent on violence. The hypocrisy would be laughable if it wasn’t so disgusting.

Hopefully a few of the leftie rent a mob insisting on being amongst the action get inadvertently swept up with the illegals and get deported too.

[kent_white]

39 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

There's a not too subtle difference between protest and obstruction. Go and protest away from the action - preferably in Antarctica or the Atacama Desert.

Watch the video. He wasn't obstructing anybody. 

And even if he was - does that warrant getting shot 10 times? Fuck me! 

[boltonboris]

On 26/01/2026 at 22:59, kent_white said:

They have a legal right to protest though.

Take that away and really ARE looking at an authoritarian regime.

Thats what he wants. 
 

Only racists, sorry Patriots, are allowed to take to the streets to voice their opinions

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, kent_white said:

Watch the video. He wasn't obstructing anybody. 

And even if he was - does that warrant getting shot 10 times? Fuck me! 

And the preceding parts the BBC and other biased news outlets don't want to show you?

Obstruction clear and simple. Lights out. Good night.

[Freddie Hill]

15 hours ago, Ani said:

I do not think anyone in this country would disagree with you but is nt it the case that over there folk just take their guns with them everywhere ? When I leave the house it is ‘keys,wallet, phone’ mad to think I need to add ‘concealed weapon’ to the list. 
 

Reading a few Yanks responses to this they are twisting themselves apart. He has a constitutional right to protest and the same right to carry arms. But not now at the same time. The guy below turned up at some protests to ‘protect property’ and shot 3 people killing 2 of them. He was acquitted as one apparently pulled a pistol on him. 
 

Reading about the actual shooting it seems if ICE took his gun off him and then one of them shot it by accident, they are pretty much in the clear as it would be natural to feel threatened in that instance so shooting him 7 times is justified ! (According to one side that is !)

What a mad world. 

 

 

 

[gonzo]

USA threatens to invade other countries because of the way protestors are dealt with.

[wanderer1984]

On 27/01/2026 at 07:20, Spider said:

You’re just upset like George Clooney

[Ani]

6 hours ago, Freddie Hill said:

 

That is after he killed 2 people. My post was in response to taking a gun to a protest, if one is stupid for taking a gun surely he is too ? 

[Ani]

42 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Have we had your comments on what The Don said about NATO troops ? 

[wanderer1984]

24 minutes ago, Ani said:

Have we had your comments on what The Don said about NATO troops ? 

Disrespectful & out of order. Don't know why anyone would think otherwise mate.

[Bertie]

7 hours ago, bolty58 said:

And the preceding parts the BBC and other biased news outlets don't want to show you?

Obstruction clear and simple. Lights out. Good night.

Yep.  He was viciously pointing his camera at the ICE Brownshirts. He was protecting the other protester in a really threatening way. You’re as deluded as Trump/Noem/Miller/Bovino and all the other liars.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”.

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Bertie said:

Yep.  He was viciously pointing his camera at the ICE Brownshirts. He was protecting the other protester in a really threatening way. You’re as deluded as Trump/Noem/Miller/Bovino and all the other liars.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”.

It is a crazy world when just because you disagree with a protesters motives you are unconcerned by them getting shot in the face.

Assume if the Police had reacted in the same way on Jan 6th that would have been ok now. As mentioned above I think carrying a gun is daft, taking one to a protest is stupid, but the punishment for daft and stupid is not shot in the head.