the last shooting / things that go on in America thread has definitely dissappeared

anyway

not the "happy ending" you would have expected

https://twitter.com/i/events/1371972779893944327

Suspect arrested after eight people, including six Asian women, were killed at Atlanta-area spas

Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed in shootings at three different businesses in Atlanta and Acworth, Georgia, on Tuesday, according to local police. A male suspect was arrested and charged with several counts of murder on Wednesday, police said. At a press conference in Atlanta on Wednesday, authorities identified the four victims killed in Cherokee County.

 

7 hours ago, kent_white said:

 

Although how many people are REALLY like this in day to day life. I don't think I've ever met one? 

A couple that have come close maybe. But I could count them on the fingers of one hand. 

Met so many crunchy lefties, not one of them would think like this, got to be a fake or someone on the wind up

Wrong thread

Edited January 10Jan 10 by frank_spencer

6 hours ago, kent_white said:

I still maintain that even Cheese is probably alright in person. Even Cheese! 

PS sorry @Cheese

He was OK on the phone and quite coherent,whilst unable to edit anything, though I'd love to say the same after actually meeting it in person. He's got my number 

In solitary confinement, tortured regularly and yet never charged.

Land of the free eh? 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2gelrxxr0o

 

Can’t get it past US ethics control - so they go do it on African babies instead.

https://healthpolicy-watch.news/controversial-us-backed-vaccination-study-begins-in-guinea-bissau/

Despite all the evidence saying it’s unnecessary.
 

This is fucked on so many levels. 

 

26 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Can’t get it past US ethics control - so they go do it on African babies instead.

https://healthpolicy-watch.news/controversial-us-backed-vaccination-study-begins-in-guinea-bissau/

Despite all the evidence saying it’s unnecessary.
 

This is fucked on so many levels. 

 

Sounds like the research team have already made their minds up. No doubt they will find a negative result which will get widely reported (badly) by the press and people like me will have to spend the rest of our careers mopping up the mess. 

Like you say. Fucked on so many levels. 

20 hours ago, kent_white said:

Sounds like the research team have already made their minds up. No doubt they will find a negative result which will get widely reported (badly) by the press and people like me will have to spend the rest of our careers mopping up the mess. 

Like you say. Fucked on so many levels. 

Our policies won't be affected by bollocks from the US, surely?

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Our policies won't be affected by bollocks from the US, surely?

They will if Nige gets in.

Plus Kent and his ilk already have issues getting people to listen to facts rather internet bullshit 

1 hour ago, frank_spencer said:

They will if Nige gets in.

Plus Kent and his ilk already have issues getting people to listen to facts rather internet bullshit 

In fairness, wouldn't be purely internet bollocks if medical types over there were spouting it.

Just like it wasn't, when Wakefield was being a twat here.

We ought to have learned and moved on since then- and slap down any false information from dodgy docs.

Your comment re Farage has, to my knowledge, no basis neither.

I've not heard anything from Reform about cancelling vaccine programs over here.

13 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

In fairness, wouldn't be purely internet bollocks if medical types over there were spouting it.

Just like it wasn't, when Wakefield was being a twat here.

We ought to have learned and moved on since then- and slap down any false information from dodgy docs.

Your comment re Farage has, to my knowledge, no basis neither.

I've not heard anything from Reform about cancelling vaccine programs over here.

Farage couldn't bring himself to say Trump was talking bollocks about paracetamol and also about childhood immunisations too. Instead he waffled about not knowing and bringing up Thalidomide as a false equivalence.

3 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Farage couldn't bring himself to say Trump was talking bollocks about paracetamol and also about childhood immunisations too. Instead he waffled about not knowing and bringing up Thalidomide as a false equivalence.

He wasn't counting on your vote anyway. Won't need it.

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

In fairness, wouldn't be purely internet bollocks if medical types over there were spouting it.

Just like it wasn't, when Wakefield was being a twat here.

We ought to have learned and moved on since then- and slap down any false information from dodgy docs.

Your comment re Farage has, to my knowledge, no basis neither.

I've not heard anything from Reform about cancelling vaccine programs over here.

I would say a bigger issue is the increasing amount of NHS staff refusing vaccines 

Every time I hear a yank say "Leader of the free world" it makes me piss myself. 😂😂

On 14/01/2026 at 20:47, Pablo said:

Every time I hear a yank say "Leader of the free world" it makes me piss myself. 😂😂

Incontinence knickers.

On 13/01/2026 at 22:21, royal white said:

I would say a bigger issue is the increasing amount of NHS staff refusing vaccines 

Is this entirely accurate though, or is there a more nuanced story?

Of course there were concerns over covid vaccines initially, and it seems the flu one this year has had a relatively low uptake.

Unfortunately, the flu one this year was for a different strain than the one that has become prominent, so maybe some sacked it off.

Perhaps some medical staff witnessed some who suffered side effects, and that changed their view, and maybe they're of an age where they don't feel the need for one- after all the covid vaccine is not freely available for anyone now unless they're compromised health wise or very elderly.

 

On 13/01/2026 at 22:21, royal white said:

I would say a bigger issue is the increasing amount of NHS staff refusing vaccines 

Not sure what the national picture is - but Bolton's staff uptake is increasing year on year. 

5 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Is this entirely accurate though, or is there a more nuanced story?

Of course there were concerns over covid vaccines initially, and it seems the flu one this year has had a relatively low uptake.

Unfortunately, the flu one this year was for a different strain than the one that has become prominent, so maybe some sacked it off.

Perhaps some medical staff witnessed some who suffered side effects, and that changed their view, and maybe they're of an age where they don't feel the need for one- after all the covid vaccine is not freely available for anyone now unless they're compromised health wise or very elderly.

 

I don’t know what the full numbers are but regardless, when you have NHS staff saying they don’t want to take a vaccine/question it, it’s going to raise questions. They’re the people I would listen to for medical advice, not some bloke with no medical experience 1000s of miles away. 

15 minutes ago, royal white said:

I don’t know what the full numbers are but regardless, when you have NHS staff saying they don’t want to take a vaccine/question it, it’s going to raise questions. They’re the people I would listen to for medical advice, not some bloke with no medical experience 1000s of miles away. 

I can (to a point) understand some vaccine hesitancy, especially with the amount of inaccurate data and downright lies across social media. Personally I think the public needs to be reeducated and reassured with the overall process of new medicines development, the rigour involved and the independent checks and balances in place to ensure efficacy, safety and quality.  This is a fundamental bedrock of healthcare today, developed over the last century. Without this most us would either be dead or never born. Medical science is brilliant. End of.

9 minutes ago, Bertie said:

I can (to a point) understand some vaccine hesitancy, especially with the amount of inaccurate data and downright lies across social media. Personally I think the public needs to be reeducated and reassured with the overall process of new medicines development, the rigour involved and the independent checks and balances in place to ensure efficacy, safety and quality.  This is a fundamental bedrock of healthcare today, developed over the last century. Without this most us would either be dead or never born. Medical science is brilliant. End of.

Believe me. Half of us wouldn't be commenting on this board had it not been for vaccines. Collectively they have saved literally millions of lives in the UK. And a decent proportion of those lives were in your/our direct family trees. 

A quick note about healthcare professionals too. Firstly - the figures you see banded about are for the numbers of staff that have been vaccinated using an in house programme. So for example - if RBH has a thousand staff - roughly half of them have been vaccinated by the hospital itself. It doesn't usually (and I stress the word usually) account for vaccines given to healthcare staff at other places - like a nurse who's had it in ASDA on his way home from work - or at their GP or pharmacist. 

The majority of HCPs who haven't been vaccinated in house have just been too busy to on the wards to get to the (often very limited) in house vavcination clinics offered at the hospital. Or work nights. Or weren't on shift when it was being offered. Or didn't even hear about it. 

So that figure is extremely misleading without context. What it doesn't mean is 50% of HCP's have sat on front of a person with a needle and have declined it because they are sceptical about vaccines. Which is often how it's portrayed. And certainly the way it's portrayed on social media. 

That said - your average nurse/HCA will have a rudimentary understanding of how the immune system works at best. Unless they work in a ward where patients tend to be immonocompromised. And they're human beings - so just as susceptible to conspiracy theories as the rest of the population. Maybe slightly better protected due to their education - but not completely immune - if you'll pardon the pun. 

I've met one or two vaccine sceptic nurses in my career - but they are in a very small minority. 

6 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Believe me. Half of us wouldn't be commenting on this board had it not been for vaccines. Collectively they have saved literally millions of lives in the UK. And a decent proportion of those lives were in your/our direct family trees. 

A quick note about healthcare professionals too. Firstly - the figures you see banded about are for the numbers of staff that have been vaccinated using an in house programme. So for example - if RBH has a thousand staff - roughly half of them have been vaccinated by the hospital itself. It doesn't usually (and I stress the word usually) account for vaccines given to healthcare staff at other places - like a nurse who's had it in ASDA on his way home from work - or at their GP or pharmacist. 

The majority of HCPs who haven't been vaccinated in house have just been too busy to on the wards to get to the (often very limited) in house vavcination clinics offered at the hospital. Or work nights. Or weren't on shift when it was being offered. Or didn't even hear about it. 

So that figure is extremely misleading without context. What it doesn't mean is 50% of HCP's have sat on front of a person with a needle and have declined it because they are sceptical about vaccines. Which is often how it's portrayed. And certainly the way it's portrayed on social media. 

That said - your average nurse/HCA will have a rudimentary understanding of how the immune system works at best. Unless they work in a ward where patients tend to be immonocompromised. And they're human beings - so just as susceptible to conspiracy theories as the rest of the population. Maybe slightly better protected due to their education - but not completely immune - if you'll pardon the pun. 

I've met one or two vaccine sceptic nurses in my career - but they are in a very small minority. 

Yeah, but an obese nurse I don't know said vaccines are part of an inexplicable Government program designed to kill or control civilians on facebook, so I'd rather trust her than hundreds of years of science and millions of actual experts.

Edited January 16Jan 16 by Cheese

29 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Yeah, but an obese nurse I don't know said vaccines are part of an inexplicable Government program designed to kill or control civilians on facebook, so I'd rather trust her than hundreds of years of science and millions of actual experts.

Personally - I'd be questioning their fitness to practise. 

And it has been discussed - but rejected because of the way this would be spun. 

'I was sacked because of my beliefs' or 'they are trying to silence the opinion of medical staff' etc and so on and so forth. 

Nope. You were sacked because you didn't pay attention to/didn't really understand the immunology module at university. 

You'll understand how it is I'm sure! 

Edited January 16Jan 16 by kent_white

Not strictly related - but this post from Sean Strickland in the UFC really made me laugh! 😂

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

Believe me. Half of us wouldn't be commenting on this board had it not been for vaccines. Collectively they have saved literally millions of lives in the UK. And a decent proportion of those lives were in your/our direct family trees. 

A quick note about healthcare professionals too. Firstly - the figures you see banded about are for the numbers of staff that have been vaccinated using an in house programme. So for example - if RBH has a thousand staff - roughly half of them have been vaccinated by the hospital itself. It doesn't usually (and I stress the word usually) account for vaccines given to healthcare staff at other places - like a nurse who's had it in ASDA on his way home from work - or at their GP or pharmacist. 

The majority of HCPs who haven't been vaccinated in house have just been too busy to on the wards to get to the (often very limited) in house vavcination clinics offered at the hospital. Or work nights. Or weren't on shift when it was being offered. Or didn't even hear about it. 

So that figure is extremely misleading without context. What it doesn't mean is 50% of HCP's have sat on front of a person with a needle and have declined it because they are sceptical about vaccines. Which is often how it's portrayed. And certainly the way it's portrayed on social media. 

That said - your average nurse/HCA will have a rudimentary understanding of how the immune system works at best. Unless they work in a ward where patients tend to be immonocompromised. And they're human beings - so just as susceptible to conspiracy theories as the rest of the population. Maybe slightly better protected due to their education - but not completely immune - if you'll pardon the pun. 

I've met one or two vaccine sceptic nurses in my career - but they are in a very small minority. 

You know what the anti vax lot are like though. There’s No doubt some refuse it but for those who haven’t had it because “they’ve been to busy” plays right into their hands and is it really an excuse given their jobs? These figures don’t help the cause either.

 https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/for-urgent-action-campaign-to-vaccinate-all-frontline-healthcare-staff/

Just now, royal white said:

You know what the anti vax lot are like though. There’s No doubt some refuse it but for those who haven’t had it because “they’ve been to busy” plays right into their hands and is it really an excuse given their jobs? These figures don’t help the cause either.

 https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/for-urgent-action-campaign-to-vaccinate-all-frontline-healthcare-staff/

I completely agree mate. But it's hard enough for staff to get away for a piss - never mind a vaccination on a different building in the hospital. 

The only solution for me is to get around all the wards one by one and visit every member of staff who is eligible. 

The problem with that approach is that you'd probably need to take 2 or 3 nurses off the ward and have them working for a good 3-4 months on just vaccination - including night staff. 

And there are way too few staff as it is. So it makes it very hard. 

Believe me I know. It's part of my job to wrestle with these kind of problems! 

You need a cape and a bag full of needles, then charge around wards injecting unsuspecting colleagues.

Not the same, but something akin to this.

Dunno if you'll remember it.