the last shooting / things that go on in America thread has definitely dissappeared

anyway

not the "happy ending" you would have expected

https://twitter.com/i/events/1371972779893944327

Suspect arrested after eight people, including six Asian women, were killed at Atlanta-area spas

Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed in shootings at three different businesses in Atlanta and Acworth, Georgia, on Tuesday, according to local police. A male suspect was arrested and charged with several counts of murder on Wednesday, police said. At a press conference in Atlanta on Wednesday, authorities identified the four victims killed in Cherokee County.

 

It's now been declared a mass casualty event

Awful

Terrible event.

Trying to account for up to 20 people. 

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Terrible event.

Trying to account for up to 20 people. 

not that bad 

lucky it was night time 

in the day be Hundreds 

12 minutes ago, little whitt said:

not that bad 

lucky it was night time 

in the day be Hundreds 

Think he might have seen it if it was in the day

Just now, gonzo said:

Think he might have seen it if it was in the day

Looks like a power cut, twice. Captain might keep his job.

 

The amount of conspiracies going about already is frightening. Utter fruitloops

22 minutes ago, royal white said:

The amount of conspiracies going about already is frightening. Utter fruitloops

Yeah, I will say on first viewing it did look worryingly deliberate. 

But, on second viewing you can see the power issues and the smoke billowing out of the ship before it seems to lose power and drift into the bridge. 

Just a very unfortunate, tragic accident.

Kate Middleton was captaining the ship.

 

17 minutes ago, Spider said:

Kate Middleton was captaining the ship.

 

Joey Barton is all over this, saying it’s a woman in charge 🤦🏻🤪

2 hours ago, little whitt said:

not that bad 

lucky it was night time 

in the day be Hundreds 

Of course, though the poor guys working on it might view it a bit differently. 

5 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It's now been declared a mass casualty event

Awful

20

whats that, half an hour in gaza?

some lifes so cheap

2 hours ago, meanderson93 said:

Yeah, I will say on first viewing it did look worryingly deliberate. 

But, on second viewing you can see the power issues and the smoke billowing out of the ship before it seems to lose power and drift into the bridge. 

Just a very unfortunate, tragic accident.

According to lawyers there’s no such thing as a maritime accident. There will be an allegation of failure to exercise due diligence to make the ship seaworthy and blame that. 

Thing is its all difficult to get thenpeople responsible - read this great book a few years back about the shipping industry - the sort if hidden world that brings you all 99% of your goods but is sort of invisible to most people. The flag a ship flysheet under has most of the time  othing to do with that country. Its a very murky world, the crew are treated like shit - sometimes on a ship for 2/3 years.

It's almost lawless. 

and thats just cross channel ferries

13 minutes ago, Casino said:

20

whats that, half an hour in gaza?

some lifes so cheap

I'm not sure this kind of thing's really a numbers game

Both are clearly tragedies

12 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Thing is its all difficult to get thenpeople responsible - read this great book a few years back about the shipping industry - the sort if hidden world that brings you all 99% of your goods but is sort of invisible to most people. The flag a ship flysheet under has most of the time  othing to do with that country. Its a very murky world, the crew are treated like shit - sometimes on a ship for 2/3 years.

It's almost lawless. 

Spent a few years working on the ocean waves. The  conditions on some of the vessels are horrendous. In many cases the ones I were on had a Filipino crew with Korean officers. Horrible bastards in many (not all)cases. I was on a Chinese vessel once from Egypts to Sri Lanka, I lived off a pack of noodles 2 x chicken wings and 4 (fresh) buns a day. And I was being treated well! 

19 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Thing is its all difficult to get thenpeople responsible - read this great book a few years back about the shipping industry - the sort if hidden world that brings you all 99% of your goods but is sort of invisible to most people. The flag a ship flysheet under has most of the time  othing to do with that country. Its a very murky world, the crew are treated like shit - sometimes on a ship for 2/3 years.

It's almost lawless. 

Any idea on the title?

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Spent a few years working on the ocean waves. The  conditions on some of the vessels are horrendous. In many cases the ones I were on had a Filipino crew with Korean officers. Horrible bastards in many (not all)cases. I was on a Chinese vessel once from Egypts to Sri Lanka, I lived off a pack of noodles 2 x chicken wings and 4 (fresh) buns a day. And I was being treated well! 

Now, I would love to have a pint with you and have a chat about the experience, facinating. I knew nothing about it like everyone else, but heard about this book and it was so interesting about something we all depend on and know pretty much nothing about. The stories about the crews are just insane. Its called 99% of Everything - really interesting/scary stuff.

Freight shipping has been no less revolutionary than the printing press or the Internet, yet it is all but invisible. Away from public scrutiny, shipping revels in suspect practices, dubious operators, and a shady system of "flags of convenience." Infesting our waters, poisoning our air, and a prime culprit of acoustic pollution, shipping is environmentally indefensible. And then there are the pirates.

4 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Any idea on the title?

Yeah sorry - 90% of Everything not 99% (that would be bonkers) heres a link on Amazon for it (to be shipped to you 🙂 )

https://www.amazon.com/Ninety-Percent-Everything-Shipping-Invisible/dp/0805092633

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Now, I would love to have a pint with you and have a chat about the experience, facinating. I knew nothing about it like everyone else, but heard about this book and it was so interesting about something we all depend on and know pretty much nothing about. The stories about the crews are just insane. Its called 99% of Everything - really interesting/scary stuff.

Freight shipping has been no less revolutionary than the printing press or the Internet, yet it is all but invisible. Away from public scrutiny, shipping revels in suspect practices, dubious operators, and a shady system of "flags of convenience." Infesting our waters, poisoning our air, and a prime culprit of acoustic pollution, shipping is environmentally indefensible. And then there are the pirates.

My first job was a transit from Muscat to Egypt. On the vessel for 24hrs and one of the crew, who was a bit of an old sweat, decided to stab the bosun to death (it was also his cousin) port authorities wouldn’t take the dead body or the killer so the freezer was emptied and a wrapped up Bosun was placed in there whilst his cousin was locked in his cabin until Egypt. 
 

Some Of the crews were amazing though, mainly the Filipinos and Burmese, really good ambience on board. 

1 minute ago, royal white said:

My first job was a transit from Muscat to Egypt. On the vessel for 24hrs and one of the crew, who was a bit of an old sweat, decided to stab the bosun to death (it was also his cousin) port authorities wouldn’t take the dead body or the killer so the freezer was emptied and a wrapped up Bosun was placed in there whilst his cousin was locked in his cabin until Egypt. 
 

Some Of the crews were amazing though, mainly the Filipinos and Burmese, really good ambience on board. 

Now that's a book in itself!

Yeah just seems as I say there a laws obviously but its a stretch to inforce them. Also with pirates, most captains thought the guy who Tom Hanks played in that film was an idiot - sailed far too close to coastline where the skiffs could get them and most sensible captains just don't venture.

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

Now that's a book in itself!

Yeah just seems as I say there a laws obviously but its a stretch to inforce them. Also with pirates, most captains thought the guy who Tom Hanks played in that film was an idiot - sailed far too close to coastline where the skiffs could get them and most sensible captains just don't venture.

It’s a yank thing 

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

Now, I would love to have a pint with you and have a chat about the experience, facinating. I knew nothing about it like everyone else, but heard about this book and it was so interesting about something we all depend on and know pretty much nothing about. The stories about the crews are just insane. Its called 99% of Everything - really interesting/scary stuff.

Freight shipping has been no less revolutionary than the printing press or the Internet, yet it is all but invisible. Away from public scrutiny, shipping revels in suspect practices, dubious operators, and a shady system of "flags of convenience." Infesting our waters, poisoning our air, and a prime culprit of acoustic pollution, shipping is environmentally indefensible. And then there are the pirates.

I’d probably dispute that shipping nowadays is not free from public scrutiny and likewise the ITF have worked with shipping industry to make things better for crew. Most commercial oceangoing vessels are insured with UK/EU insurers who are not only answerable to strict compliance but actually promote welfare of the crew especially in healthcare and family contact when away. Nobody benefits if the crew are unhappy. Rewards for whistleblowers are also significant especially in US so anti pollution measures onboard are also strict and many operators are converting vessels to LNG or alternative fuel. It’s still not clean enough but as you say when 99% (or 96% just to be picky 😉) of what is imported comes by sea then it still averages out at a less per tonne than many other forms of transport. It’ll always be the case that those who pay to ship cargo are critical of the carrier when things go wrong and in the case of the “Dali” it’s going to cost the ship owners an absolute shitload unless they can find a defence as well as every single shipper who has a box on board under General Average.  
It’ll easy cost in the hundreds of millions if not more. 

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I'm not sure this kind of thing's really a numbers game

Both are clearly tragedies

i think if we use the term 'mass casualty event' its worth considering numbers

and the numbers are 20?

what word do we use for gaza?

it may say a lot about me or world events, but 20 folk dieing is hardly news these days

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

i think if we use the term 'mass casualty event' its worth considering numbers

and the numbers are 20?

what word do we use for gaza?

it may say a lot about me or world events, but 20 folk dieing is hardly news these days

Mass casualty event simply means the local healthcare system is overwhelmed

As to your broader point, compassion isn't finite and I'm unsure why events in Gaza mean sympathy can't also be expressed towards the people affected by a bridge collapse in Baltimore

3 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I'm not sure this kind of thing's really a numbers game

Both are clearly tragedies

You are debating with someone who has previously openly said he'd sacrifice 3 Britons for 300 migrants (or word to that effect). 

He didn't at the time say whether he would feel that way if it was his wife and 2 children. 

They are clearly very different situations as you say, but rational, sensible thinking isn't always undertaken.