Meanwhile in Israel

[royal white]

How long before it starts over here? 
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68915021.amp

[London Wanderer]

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

Or it could be used to describe both. 

It could. Boby just did 👍 you might agree with him, fair enough. 
 

I disagree & think the situation in Palestine is tragic. More so than the effect these demos in London are having. 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

How long before it starts over here? 
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68915021.amp

Think it already has started Rees Mogg was vilified over Gaza at some uni this week. 
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13356523/pro-gaza-students-harass-jacob-rees-mogg-cardiff-university.html

Edited April 28, 2024 by Mounts Kipper

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It could. Boby just did 👍 you might agree with him, fair enough. 
 

I disagree & think the situation in Palestine is tragic. More so than the effect these demos in London are having. 

 

How best would you describe what’s happening to many Jews around country. 
 

Unfortunate? Part of everyday life? A shame? 

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

How best would you describe what’s happening to many Jews around country. 
 

Unfortunate? Part of everyday life? A shame? 

Keep trying but they won't come out and admit what really drives them. They like to throw the 'r' word around. Anti semitism would make them look like hypocrites.

[London Wanderer]

8 hours ago, royal white said:

How best would you describe what’s happening to many Jews around country. 
 

Unfortunate? Part of everyday life? A shame? 

Not really any of those to be honest.

As I’ve said, it’s not something that can be generalised about when many Jewish people have different lived experiences. 
 

Do you think it’s “fckn tragic” that some are avoiding town when the demos are on? Quite powerful language tbh & better suited to describe a war zone. London isn’t a war zone.

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Not really any of those to be honest.

As I’ve said, it’s not something that can be generalised about when many Jewish people have different lived experiences. 
 

Do you think it’s “fckn tragic” that some are avoiding town when the demos are on? Quite powerful language tbh & better suited to describe a war zone. London isn’t a war zone.

I’ll stick with my language thanks. You stick with sad. As I said, I expect it to get worse. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

As I’ve said, it’s not something that can be generalised about when many Jewish people have different lived experiences. 

You aren't being asked to generalise, you're being asked for the word you'd use for a specific phenomenon - the fact that some Jewish people feel afraid to go to central London during the protests

And it should be possible for you to express your opinion on that without immediately pivoting to caveats and qualifications

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

I’ll stick with my language thanks. You stick with sad. As I said, I expect it to get worse. 

Fair enough 👍

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

You aren't being asked to generalise, you're being asked for the word you'd use for a specific phenomenon - the fact that some Jewish people feel afraid to go to central London during the protests

And it should be possible for you to express your opinion on that without immediately pivoting to caveats and qualifications

Which, in my opinion, is generalising something that is different for each individual person. Giving one word makes it the same for everyone. Tragic is an overstatement of the situation. 

 The Met have said the vast majority on these demos are peaceful & not intimidatory. Jews who have attended have said the claims of antisemitism are being blown out of proportion. Then you’ve got other Jewish people saying they are afraid to go into town. There will be truth in all of those statements.

We can’t really stop the protests because some people feel afraid. Especially as a feeling is not evidence they wouldn’t be safe. So rather than labelling everyone’s experience as tragic, I’d rather the Met did more to catch those who are genuinely antisemitic so the Jewish community can be more trusting of the police & get the justice they deserve when needed. Which tbf the Met have tried to improve on.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Which, in my opinion, is generalising something that is different for each individual person. Giving one word makes it the same for everyone. 

It absolutely does not

[Tonge moor green jacket]

12 hours ago, royal white said:

How long before it starts over here? 
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68915021.amp

Chuck them out of the uni. Sorted.

[Cheese]

23 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Chuck them out of the uni. Sorted.

Thought you were in favour of Free Speech. My mistake.

[Casino]

4 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

the fact that some Jewish people feel afraid to go to central London during the protests

 

i doubt we will agree but i think this is often used as an attempt to shut down the opposition to israels activities

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

i doubt we will agree but i think this is often used as an attempt to shut down the opposition to israels activities

That shouldn't mean the fears of many Jewish people can simply be dismissed or that they can't be treated with respect in their own right without having to be placed in the context of other suffering

Case in point:

A Jewish member of the public recently recounted and incident where they'd be verbally abused by Pro-Palestinian protestor on the Tube- they claimed they hadn't done anything to provoke any reaction at all except to be visibly Jewish

Yet Jess Phillips MP immediately dismissed, or cast doubt upon, the incident because "she'd also been on the Tube with protesters previously and they hadn't been abusive to her"

Well, that might be true, but she's unlikely to have said or done anything they didn't like

People who would ordinarily be at pains to defend perceive injustices against people of an ethnic minority background so often tend to behave differently when it concerns Jews

[Zico]

 

 

[DirtySanchez]

57 minutes ago, Zico said:

 

 

Berdmonsey or Croydon 

Deffo 

[DirtySanchez]

Good Christian values though 

[Sweep]

waving them Brazilian flags 😁

[London Wanderer]

7 hours ago, Cheese said:

Thought you were in favour of Free Speech. My mistake.

He is in favour of free speech.

Unless he disagrees with you. If so then you should have your protest banned; be chucked off your course & water cannoned across the channel.

Apart from that he’s dead keen on free speech 👍

Mad that so many patriotic people seem to have such anti -English values. 
 

Though in fairness, you should probably be chucked off your course if you’re arrested for hate speech. No idea why they were arrested.

Edited April 29, 2024 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

7 hours ago, Cheese said:

Thought you were in favour of Free Speech. My mistake.

But they’re breaking laws. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

That shouldn't mean the fears of many Jewish people can simply be dismissed or that they can't be treated with respect in their own right without having to be placed in the context of other suffering

Case in point:

A Jewish member of the public recently recounted and incident where they'd be verbally abused by Pro-Palestinian protestor on the Tube- they claimed they hadn't done anything to provoke any reaction at all except to be visibly Jewish

Yet Jess Phillips MP immediately dismissed, or cast doubt upon, the incident because "she'd also been on the Tube with protesters previously and they hadn't been abusive to her"

Well, that might be true, but she's unlikely to have said or done anything they didn't like

People who would ordinarily be at pains to defend perceive injustices against people of an ethnic minority background so often tend to behave differently when it concerns Jews

This.

Thin end of the wedge, and as plenty have said, they'll take a yard if given an inch.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-olaf-scholz-calls-consequences-following-islamist-rally/

Another uptick in extreme religious beliefs being foisted on people of a democratic country.

Shultz just being a drama queen though for being critical, obviously. 

[DazBob]

Has there been anything in the way of violence to Jews over here since this all kicked off?

I've not heard of anything, but wondered if I'd missed anything and/or the MSM is suppressing it.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

47 minutes ago, DazBob said:

Has there been anything in the way of violence to Jews over here since this all kicked off?

I've not heard of anything, but wondered if I'd missed anything and/or the MSM is suppressing it.

One of the few Jewish MPs has received death threats from a group calling themselves Muslims against Crusades and recently had his constituency office burned down

Sadly, he now intends to stand down at the next general election

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

But it's not simply about violence