Meanwhile in Israel

[wanderer1984]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

another immigrant who doesn't like immigrants

no wonder you think the sun shines out of blueys arse

Refugees & Immigrants ... you know the difference right?

I'm neither 👍🏻

He's got you and others on strings most days ... what's not to like 😊

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Refugees & Immigrants ... you know the difference right?

I'm neither 👍🏻

He's got you and others on strings most days ... what's not to like 😊

When folk start to create ridiculous, inaccurate equivalences, to make a point, then there tends to be little to support their fundamental belief.

Anyway, it's far more nuanced these days; in many cases it's hard to ascertain what an individual is, when the throw their papers etc into the sea.

[wanderer1984]

52 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

when the throw their papers etc into the sea.

I did that on the way to Wales ... Tossed them off the Severn bridge.

[London Wanderer]

3 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

Praising terrorism on a footy forum.

 

😂 Hardly doing that is he.

The point that he & others have been making in recent posts is why is it acceptable for Israel to act in self defence but not Palestine? 

The argument for the horrific death toll in Gaza continues to be that Israel has to act in self defence because some of those people want them ‘wiped out’.

Well many in Israel want Palestinians wiped off the map. 10% of the population live illegally on Palestinian land & continue to evict them or make their lives miserable until they have no choice but to leave. Extremist Israeli settlers are literally ‘wiping them out’. So do you think Palestinians should also have a right to attack Israel in self defence?

It’s a perfectly legitimate comparison to make. As extremists exist on both sides & it’s hypocritical to support one sides right to self defence but not the others.

 Fwiw I don’t try to defend either sides violent tactics, the solution is diplomacy & a two state solution. And if Israel aren’t willing to allow Palestine to exist as its own state, then the west should stop providing weapons until they are left with no choice. 

[wanderer1984]

9 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

The point that he & others have been making in recent posts is why is it acceptable for Israel to act in self defence but not Palestine?

You mean Hamas ... A terrorist organisation?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

12 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

You mean Hamas ... A terrorist organisation?

And Hezbollah. 

If these surrounding nations were genuinely peaceful and could remove the terrorist groups from their midst, and fuck off the influence of Iran, then Israel would have no truck with them.

Moreover, there'd be no need for American and to a lesser extent European involvement.

However that won't happen- as I said before, some of them hate each other, let alone their refusal to accept the existence of a Jewish people. 

[kent_white]

7 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Nice river, I dunno - not my sort of gaff. Mind you, each to their own. I can't see Bolty living it up at Etta's Seafood kitchen before popping over to The Windmill for a couple of pints and a loud post-punk band 😁

Mind you, this is a nice local now for me and its not a bad little view - but yeah, still missing South London, no amount of nice sunsets will stop that 😪

Give me orange street lights weeping into the drizzle any day! 😁

[Not in Crawley]

46 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Give me orange street lights weeping into the drizzle any day! 😁

Yeah actually I do prefer that. A rainy night in Soho.

It's a bit too pretty now, nice weather, big garden - I don't trust it.

[bolty58]

6 hours ago, Casino said:

maybe hoping boltys right about everybody seeing sense in the end

at least those pesky arabs put up a fight and don't run to the other side of the world cos somebody wants to share their space

#headhunted

You can get here if you really try matey. I'll help you where possible. 

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

Praising terrorism on a footy forum.

Those "pesky Arabs" can't leave can they?

@bolty58 When did you leave UK ... before or after the big influx of fake refugees?

Seems a few on here are envious of how things panned out for you. 

1988 mate. It still irks Monty Casino that I mentioned that increasing immigration way back then in 1987 was something I considered within a suite of things when the aggressive approach from down under came.

I had two and four year olds at the time (approach and considerations both in Q4 of 1987) and trying to foresee what sort of reduced opportunities might be available for them when they were 16-18 years old as the relentless arrivals continued to escalate. No boats across the Channel - just using eyes to observe what was happening in northern towns I was visiting regularly for business reasons.

The green eyed monster raises its head on here now and again. Hard to blame them. I have been exhorting them to do the same and make a similar move for a very long time. As much help and advice I could offer but no takers apart from perhaps jayjay and he didn't need any help.

I now have mortgage free home owning kids at 40 years old (them not me  ). A few sly digs from bar stool lifers won't even make a small dent in the monolithic satisfaction I get when considering this.

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, Casino said:

another immigrant who doesn't like immigrants

no wonder you think the sun shines out of blueys arse

 It just gets better. Makes a change from Skippy though.

I note that Bluey is female. Are you making vile insinuations based on my propensity to wear pink?

[bolty58]

4 hours ago, Casino said:

the 3 stooges in one thread

 

piece of piss this

 

Delusional. Where's that yawn emoji?

 

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

It's OK ... he was only having a laugh.

banter ... init.

He only posts during advert breaks on Al Jazeera. Something I have recently noticed.

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

Give me orange street lights weeping into the drizzle any day! 😁

Ask and ye shall receive:-

 

[Traf]

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If these surrounding nations were genuinely peaceful and could remove the terrorist groups from their midst, and fuck off the influence of Iran, then Israel would have no truck with them.

Absolute fucking bollocks.

If Israel are happy to ride roughshod over the Palestine & Lebanon despite the threat of retaliation from Hamas, Hezbollah & Iran, imagine how much land they'd grab without opposition. They'd definitely seize the last of the Palestine before making inroads into Lebanon.

I don't condone the actions of Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran in all this, but Israel are also behaving like terrorists here, their behaviour is on a par with Russia in the Ukraine.

[Duck Egg]

10 hours ago, bolty58 said:

1988 mate. It still irks Monty Casino that I mentioned that increasing immigration way back then in 1987 was something I considered within a suite of things when the aggressive approach from down under came.

I had two and four year olds at the time (approach and considerations both in Q4 of 1987) and trying to foresee what sort of reduced opportunities might be available for them when they were 16-18 years old as the relentless arrivals continued to escalate. No boats across the Channel - just using eyes to observe what was happening in northern towns I was visiting regularly for business reasons.

The green eyed monster raises its head on here now and again. Hard to blame them. I have been exhorting them to do the same and make a similar move for a very long time. As much help and advice I could offer but no takers apart from perhaps jayjay and he didn't need any help.

I now have mortgage free home owning kids at 40 years old (them not me  ). A few sly digs from bar stool lifers won't even make a small dent in the monolithic satisfaction I get when considering this.

What a heartwarming story. The Bolty family, being driven towards poverty and despair after 10 years of Thatcher, making a dash for it and settling down to a better life abroad. Lovely stuff. 

[London Wanderer]

19 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Nice river, I dunno - not my sort of gaff. Mind you, each to their own. I can't see Bolty living it up at Etta's Seafood kitchen before popping over to The Windmill for a couple of pints and a loud post-punk band 😁

Mind you, this is a nice local now for me and its not a bad little view - but yeah, still missing South London, no amount of nice sunsets will stop that 😪

Nice view.

 Where is this?

[London Wanderer]

12 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If these surrounding nations were genuinely peaceful and could remove the terrorist groups from their midst, and fuck off the influence of Iran, then Israel would have no truck with them.

An argument that never holds up when you look at the continued land grabs of recent decades.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c624qr3mqrzo
 

The Palestinians here aren’t terrorists… yet the Israeli government pays its citizens to illegally occupy their land.

 You’ve also two of these extremists at the top of government who have been sanctioned and had travel bans imposed by western nations. 

[London Wanderer]

12 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

You mean Hamas ... A terrorist organisation?

I was referring to Palestine.

Read the whole post, myself or nobody else is defending Hamas. We all know how vile they are. We’re just looking at the whole picture, pre & post October 7th. 

Constantly defending the actions of an extremist government, with 10% of its citizens living on stolen land & facing a case for genocide, only makes folk look naive. Israel’s own defence secretary resigned before Oct 7th, saying his own governments extremism was risking an escalation.

Israel needs to be willing to allow a two state solution & stop occupying land illegally. Do you think they’ll look to do that after they’ve suppressed Hamas & Hezbollah ? 

[Not in Crawley]

32 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Nice view.

 Where is this?

Rose In Bloom in Whitstable/Seasalter

[Traf]

46 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I was referring to Palestine.

Read the whole post, myself or nobody else is defending Hamas. We all know how vile they are. We’re just looking at the whole picture, pre & post October 7th. 

Constantly defending the actions of an extremist government, with 10% of its citizens living on stolen land & facing a case for genocide, only makes folk look naive. Israel’s own defence secretary resigned before Oct 7th, saying his own governments extremism was risking an escalation.

Israel needs to be willing to allow a two state solution & stop occupying land illegally. Do you think they’ll look to do that after they’ve suppressed Hamas & Hezbollah ? 

A more cynical man than me might suggest the Israeli authorities welcomed the October 7th atrocity as collateral damage to give them an excuse to further crush the state of Palestine.

One wonders how the 'West' might respond if another bigger country decided they wanted to attack/invade Israel. Would the US/UK struggle to decide which side to arm? After all, weapons sales generate big bucks.

[Dimron]

6 minutes ago, Traf said:

A more cynical man than me might suggest the Israeli authorities welcomed the October 7th atrocity as collateral damage to give them an excuse to further crush the state of Palestine.

One wonders how the 'West' might respond if another bigger country decided they wanted to attack/invade Israel. Would the US/UK struggle to decide which side to arm? After all, weapons sales generate big bucks.

As a self confessed cynic I have often mused about how and why October 7th happened especially as the Israelis have a huge intelligence network capability, maybe it was allowed as a vehicle to mobilise invasion of Gaza and beyond but the death toll was higher than expected.

Interesting that as soon as the US finally threaten to limit arms supplies the aid convoys start getting through the Israeli checkpoints again.

[bolty58]

I must have jumped into the conspiracy theory thread by mistake.

October 7th happened because Iran instructed Hamas to do so to derail the imminent peace/cooperation talks between Israel and Saudi Arabia - it's two most hated enemies.

Like most it will be great when it is all over (for now). With the right result.

[Dimron]

3 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

I must have jumped into the conspiracy theory thread by mistake.

October 7th happened because Iran instructed Hamas to do so to derail the imminent peace/cooperation talks between Israel and Saudi Arabia - it's two most hated enemies.

Like most it will be great when it is all over (for now). With the right result.

So how would Iran attacking Israel via a proxy derail proposed talks between the Saudis and Jews?

All parties just seem to circle the main problem without confronting it head on... Iran's fundamentalist Islamic government 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

15 minutes ago, Dimron said:

So how would Iran attacking Israel via a proxy derail proposed talks between the Saudis and Jews?

All parties just seem to circle the main problem without confronting it head on... Iran's fundamentalist Islamic government 

All Arabs together. Not difficult to understand their intent. Whether it will succeed is something else entirely.

Iran have recently sent an official to Saudi too, clearly with the intention to ease tensions, and thus reduce the likelihood of Saudi acceptance of Israel.

Unfortunately for them though, some of their proxies have vowed to have a pop at Saudi for its part in helping with stopping Iran's drone/missile attacks etc.