Meanwhile in Israel

[BobyBrno]

8 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

France's minister for foreign affairs. Nothing is certain in war though. 
 

Do you have any evidence it was a wee accident? 

Some experts have also pointed to evidence of a pattern of journalists being killed in Gaza. Out of the 130 killed, there are 30 odd cases where they were targeted because of their profession. 

You're deluded if you think the IDF are only going after terrorists. Not that I think you would attempt to argue that. 

So no evidence. While we are discussing this, Hezbollah have fired over 100 rockets into Israel indiscriminately. Allegedly. 

 

[mickbrown]

44 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

So no evidence. While we are discussing this, Hezbollah have fired over 100 rockets into Israel indiscriminately. Allegedly. 

 

Their indiscriminate weapons are less deadly to civilians than Israel’s ‘targetted’ weaponry 

Factamundo. With a big fat cherry on top. 

[London Wanderer]

56 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

So no evidence. While we are discussing this, Hezbollah have fired over 100 rockets into Israel indiscriminately. Allegedly. 

 

I'm not out to prove anything with evidence, don't need to. 

It's an opinion I'm sharing. That I think Hezbollah and the current extremists running Israel are as bad as each other. Just under a different religion. 

[BobyBrno]

14 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Their indiscriminate weapons are less deadly to civilians than Israel’s ‘targetted’ weaponry 

Factamundo. With a big fat cherry on top. 

One indiscriminate weapon fired by Hezbollah killed 12 kids playing football. 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

One indiscriminate weapon fired by Hezbollah killed 12 kids playing football. 

Think you've missed the point he made there mate. 

[BobyBrno]

9 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Think you've missed the point he made there mate. 

Which one? The big fat cherry?

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Which one? The big fat cherry?

Who's killed more children whilst playing... Israel or Hezbollah & Hamas? 

[BobyBrno]

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Who's killed more children whilst playing... Israel or Hezbollah & Hamas? 

Both Hamas and Hezbollah (a few others as well) want to kill many more Israelis. If it wasn’t for the Israeli defences, the terrorists would be winning by a mile. In fact, they want to wipe Israel off the map. Thats about 9.5 million by the way.

I’ve probably missed the point again 

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Both Hamas and Hezbollah (a few others as well) want to kill many more Israelis. If it wasn’t for the Israeli defences, the terrorists would be winning by a mile. In fact, they want to wipe Israel off the map. Thats about 9.5 million by the way.

I’ve probably missed the point again 

Kind of mate, you didn't answer the question for a start. 

There is another argument here, that many are making, which is that Israel doesn't need to massacre and displace on the scale it has to keep extremists at bay. There are other ways. The family of the hostages have been quite critical of their approach. 

There is also a lot more nuance to it than you're claiming. There are many in Palestine and Lebanon who want peace and don't support a massacre of Israeli's. Many want land that was historically stolen returned, but that doesn't mean they want to kill 9.5 million people overnight. 

There are extremist settlers in Israel who want to destroy Palestine and want all of it for themselves. They want the Arab countries to take them all in and never want Palestine to be given a state. These people go unchecked and some of them sit right at the top of government. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c207j6wy332o

https://ig.ft.com/west-bank/

I guess the difference between me and you is that I wouldn't use the presence of these extremists in Israel to justify the massacre of thousands of innocent Jewish people. 

[BobyBrno]

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Kind of mate, you didn't answer the question for a start. 

There is another argument here, that many are making, which is that Israel doesn't need to massacre and displace on the scale it has to keep extremists at bay. There are other ways. The family of the hostages have been quite critical of their approach. 

There is also a lot more nuance to it than you're claiming. There are many in Palestine and Lebanon who want peace and don't support a massacre of Israeli's. Many want land that was historically stolen returned, but that doesn't mean they want to kill 9.5 million people overnight. 

There are extremist settlers in Israel who want to destroy Palestine and want all of it for themselves. They want the Arab countries to take them all in and never want Palestine to be given a state. These people go unchecked and some of them sit right at the top of government. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c207j6wy332o

https://ig.ft.com/west-bank/

I guess the difference between me and you is that I wouldn't use the presence of these extremists in Israel to justify the massacre of thousands of innocent Jewish people. 

Ok, I’ll answer your question. Israel.

Who is responsible though? How long have we got. 
Who is responsible for this conflict? Iran or Israel? 
No one mentions Iran.

 

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Ok, I’ll answer your question. Israel.

Who is responsible though? How long have we got. 
Who is responsible for this conflict? Iran or Israel? 
No one mentions Iran.

 

👍

I hear Iran mentioned constantly in the news. Aren't they under sanctions ? We all know how horrific a regime they are. I hope their citizens find a way to overthrow them, though it could always be a messy one. 

All sides are responsible for me. Israel could create peace tomorrow by agreeing to a two state solution and to returning some of the stolen land. But they're doing the opposite. 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

👍

I hear Iran mentioned constantly in the news. Aren't they under sanctions ? We all know how horrific a regime they are. I hope their citizens find a way to overthrow them, though it could always be a messy one. 

All sides are responsible for me. Israel could create peace tomorrow by agreeing to a two state solution and to returning some of the stolen land. But they're doing the opposite. 

I think you’re being a little naive here. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

More than a little

[BobyBrno]

26 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

👍

I hear Iran mentioned constantly in the news. Aren't they under sanctions ? We all know how horrific a regime they are. I hope their citizens find a way to overthrow them, though it could always be a messy one. 

All sides are responsible for me. Israel could create peace tomorrow by agreeing to a two state solution and to returning some of the stolen land. But they're doing the opposite. 

Iran want to eliminate Israel. They use proxy terrorist groups to do their dirty work. Iran doesn’t want a two state solution, it wants a totally Islamic state in the whole of the area that is Israel. 
‘From the river to the sea’

Edited October 11 by BobyBrno

[Casino]

42 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Iran want to eliminate Israel

And Likud?

[Casino]

Im wIting for Iran to launch something massive at Tel Aviv

Itll kill 50000 but so long as it gets Uncle Ben nobody can moan

Yes?

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

Im wIting for Iran to launch something massive at Tel Aviv

Itll kill 50000 but so long as it gets Uncle Ben nobody can moan

Yes?

Have Isreal killed 50000 to kill one person? 
 

 

[Casino]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

Have Isreal killed 50000 to kill one person? 
 

 

Probs not

Whats an acceptable ratio?

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

Probs not

Whats an acceptable ratio?

No idea, what’s not acceptable is using innocents as human shields, which as we know Hamas do. When that’s the case more innocents will lose their life and the ratio will obviously be higher. 

[wanderer1984]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

Probs not

Whats an acceptable ratio?

Do you think there's one?

[London Wanderer]

59 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Iran want to eliminate Israel. They use proxy terrorist groups to do their dirty work. Iran doesn’t want a two state solution, it wants a totally Islamic state in the whole of the area that is Israel. 
‘From the river to the sea’

You keep telling me things we all know. 

Every post about an extremist group or regime that wants Israel removed from the map, could be matched by extremist groups & governments in Israel who want Palestine wiped off the map as well. Currently it’s the Israeli extremists who’ve had the most success with the land they’ve taken, I guess that’s the reality of the situation we’re in. 
 

Iran isn’t an excuse for UN peacekeepers being targeted. Neither is their work being perceived a failure an excuse. It’s extraordinary the deflections people make rather than just criticise it. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I think it was posted in response to the claim the mere agreement by Israel of a two-state solution and the return of some stolen land would lead to peace

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Iran want to eliminate Israel. 

They do, and maybe that's the only way this all stops

[London Wanderer]

39 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think it was posted in response to the claim the mere agreement by Israel of a two-state solution and the return of some stolen land would lead to peace

It would be a step in the right direction…

Many Israeli’s see the current (& historic) settler violence as damaging their chances of peace.

[Traf]

1 hour ago, wanderer1984 said:

Do you think there's one?

Many people backing Israel's actions seem to think there is one.