Meanwhile in Israel

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

15 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It would be a step in the right direction…

Many Israeli’s see the current (& historic) settler violence as damaging their chances of peace.

It would, however "step in the right direction" is something of a departure from peace itself

The fact is that the militias in the region are committed to eradication rather than peaceful co-existence regardless

There are precious few explanations as to how that circle is squared

[royal white]

29 minutes ago, Traf said:

Many people backing Israel's actions seem to think there is one.

I’m sure it’s the ones against Israel’s actions who keep bringing this up. Surely it’s them who think they know what the ratio should be. 

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, wanderer1984 said:

Do you think there's one?

Israel clearly do. 

[mickbrown]

4 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Think you've missed the point he made there mate. 

He’s not missed it. He’s ignored it. 

[bolty58]

11 hours ago, Traf said:

I don't condone the use of people as shields.
Sadly many people are OK with those shields being destroyed as collateral damage.

The baddies have to be got. As simple as that.

Cowardly and sad that they choose to sacrifice their own women and children in an attempt to survive.

[bolty58]

8 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

UN ‘peacekeepers’ have been strangely absent since 2006 when UN resolution 1701 put them there. Thousands of rockets have been fired into Israel from the area the ‘UN peacekeepers’ were responsible for. 

Don't forget the UNWRA. I don't know that I trust anything which starts with 'UN' any more.

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, royal white said:

I think you’re being a little naive here. 

Just 'here'? Fucking hell.

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, Casino said:

Probs not

Whats an acceptable ratio?

Maybe work on the prisoner exchange average?

[London Wanderer]

7 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Israel clearly do. 

We’ve seen advanced use of AI in Gaza unlike anything we’ve seen before. The ratio is different each time. There will always be innocent people caught up in these conflicts. The difference this time is that Israel have been happy to kill dozens of innocents at a time for the sake of low ranking Hamas officers. Whereas in the past, they’ve only targeted higher ranking officials. Which is why the death toll has been what it is.

[London Wanderer]

8 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It would, however "step in the right direction" is something of a departure from peace itself

The fact is that the militias in the region are committed to eradication rather than peaceful co-existence regardless

There are precious few explanations as to how that circle is squared

True, it is. 
 

I think Israel have been more calculated in their targeting of Hezbollah & clear in that they just want a secure buffer zone. Up until they started shooting peacekeepers there wasn’t much to criticise for me.

There are militias on both sides who don’t want to coexist. The extent of the massacre in Gaza will only create more extremists & further damage the peace process.
 

Interestingly folk who argue Israel’s right to self defence & to go after every Hamas official, wouldn’t support the rights of Palestinians to target every settler who wants them wiped off the map.

[deeane Koontz]

 

Edited October 12, 2024 by deeane Koontz

[London Wanderer]

On 12/10/2024 at 11:30, deeane Koontz said:

 

Entire families & teenagers playing in the latest strikes. Has become the norm now. 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y8zj8qrn5o

 

[deeane Koontz]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

Entire families & teenagers playing in the latest strikes. Has become the norm now. 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y8zj8qrn5o

 

 

No suprise there. They're disgusting child murdering cunts

Be nice if we'd  stop supplying them the weapons that they commit their various atrocities with. It's not a good look. 

[bolty58]

14 hours ago, deeane Koontz said:

 

No suprise there. They're disgusting child murdering cunts

Be nice if we'd  stop supplying them the weapons that they commit their various atrocities with. It's not a good look. 

Never see a criticism from you of the terrorists? I'll bet you don't like Tottenham either.

[London Wanderer]

Criticise Israel & you’re a terrorist anti-semite. Some argument that is

[Zico]

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Criticise Israel & you’re a terrorist anti-semite. Some argument that is

It's the islamophobes trying to even things up in their minds 

[London Wanderer]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/15/david-cameron-planning-sanctions-two-israeli-ministers

Cameron told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “Smotrich and Gvir had said things like encouraging people to stop aid convoys getting into Gaza and encouraging extreme settlers in the West Bank with the appalling things they have been carrying out.”

Edited October 15, 2024 by London Wanderer

[Not in Crawley]

Cameron didn't pull any punches this morning regarding Israel - certainly agreed with him on him finding failings with the government's current stance of indecision.

[Duck Egg]

5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Cameron didn't pull any punches this morning regarding Israel - certainly agreed with him on him finding failings with the government's current stance of indecision.

This is part of the problem, politicians who have no influence, or no longer do, speaking up. I may be forgetting but I can't recall him ever holding Israel to account when he was PM.

As for the Govt, they're in a state of paralysis over this. Too scared to openly criticise Israel in case they lose some of the Jewish support that they've worked hard to win back after Corbyn's time.

[Sweep]

11 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

This is part of the problem, politicians who have no influence, or no longer do, speaking up. I may be forgetting but I can't recall him ever holding Israel to account when he was PM.

As for the Govt, they're in a state of paralysis over this. Too scared to openly criticise Israel in case they lose some of the Jewish support that they've worked hard to win back after Corbyn's time.

.......or when he was Foreign Secretary only 4 or 5 months ago. He should take his shiny face and just fuck off, like he did when he fucked up the Brexit vote

[Not in Crawley]

16 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

This is part of the problem, politicians who have no influence, or no longer do, speaking up. I may be forgetting but I can't recall him ever holding Israel to account when he was PM.

As for the Govt, they're in a state of paralysis over this. Too scared to openly criticise Israel in case they lose some of the Jewish support that they've worked hard to win back after Corbyn's time.

Yes well, he dodged that question by saying, well it was the GE so its wasn't the most appropriate time...

[DazBob]

19 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

As for the Govt, they're in a state of paralysis over this. Too scared to openly criticise Israel in case they lose some of the Jewish support that they've worked hard to win back after Corbyn's time.

Not sure what there is to criticise? 

I mean, it's not like shelling a refugee camp's food distribution centre should be condemned is it?  It's just collateral damage innit.  

[London Wanderer]

38 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Cameron didn't pull any punches this morning regarding Israel - certainly agreed with him on him finding failings with the government's current stance of indecision.

Aye

 I guess my point was to highlight just how extremist the current Israeli regime is.

[London Wanderer]

You’ve got folk at the heart of the Israeli government behaving no different to terrorists.

No wonder the death toll is what it is.

I’d like to also use this opportunity to mention how bad Iran is. Just to appease the usuals on here 🙂

[Casino]

11 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Never see a criticism from you of the terrorists? I'll bet you don't like Tottenham either.

ive seen plenty criticism of the IDF

not from the anti-islam bigots, granted