Covid?

Brexit?

Both?

I notice it’s taken McDonald’s to run out of milkshakes for it to actually cause people to lose their shit.

I read that 14,000 EU lorry drivers left jobs in the UK since brexit, and only 600 have returned.

Covid caused loss of tests to be cancelled.

 

9 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I know, decent observation, not insult. Did they teach you the difference on your working class engineering course? 😁😘

They taught us many things. All practical. We were also taught grammar. Important when communicating with others before the invention of emoji’s.

2 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

Instead of a final dissertation you have to abuct, rape, murder and dispose of the body of a heroin addicted girl forced into prostitution.

For you HGV Msc. You must veer onto the hard shoulder and obliterate two cars/drivers whom pulled over after accidentally clipping each other.

You'll blame new medication, but in reality you were scrolling through Netflix on your dash-mounted iPad, trying to find 'Narcos' whilst simultaneously pissing in an empty 'Lenor' Fabric Conditioner bottle.

HGV D.Phil, accept four grand to smuggle twenty six immigrants into the UK, then leave them to suffocate to death in the airtight refridgerated trailer when it comes 'on top'.

You'll drive your cab away of course after unhooking it somewhere far away from the gaze of CCTV, you know these spots from disposing of prostitutes.

You could get an honorary HGV degree from the university of Leeds.

You are given half a dozen 2L bottles of Volvic full of piss and fag ends - they must be hurled from your cab window at 55mph onto a series of targets including:

* a motorcyclist weaving in and out of lanes of traffic. Extra points if he ends up crushed beneath your rear axles

* a family car windscreen, resulting in them careering down a banking into a field and the father losing at least one limb 

* an ANPR police patrol car which then pulls you over and uncovers 5 kilos of meth stashed in your centre console

22 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

 

The only people allowed to be embittered by kids going to University are folk who didn't get the chance to for whatever reason.

 

It’s not about being embittered though. It’s a purely pragmatic argument. Not enough lorry drivers and too many graduates with a degree in philosophy working at Macdonalds. (That maybe an exaggeration)

Leeds University?

HGV degree?

Where a 1st is known as a 'Sutty', a 2:1 is a 'Jimmy'...

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

It’s not about being embittered though. It’s a purely pragmatic argument. Not enough lorry drivers and too many graduates with a degree in philosophy working at Macdonalds. (That maybe an exaggeration)

In other words, if you're working class - know your place.

Having a University Education is far more than what career it leads to...

 

I spent most of my degree pissed.

As did every fucker else from what I can tell

The whole system needs an overhaul 

 

25 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

They taught us many things. All practical. We were also taught grammar. Important when communicating with others before the invention of emoji’s.

Not irony though it would appear.

11 minutes ago, Spider said:

I spent most of my degree pissed.

As did every fucker else from what I can tell

The whole system needs an overhaul 

 

I didn't miss one lecture, for three years. I was quite impressed at that.

I did get kicked out of my first uni for never turning up, mind.

14 minutes ago, Spider said:

I spent most of my degree pissed.

As did every fucker else from what I can tell

The whole system needs an overhaul 

 

It has been...

They charge you 9k a year now for tge privilege 

4 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

In other words, if you're working class - know your place.

Having a University Education is far more than what career it leads to...

 

My further education, sorry, studying, comprised of day release and night school. 2 nights a week for near on six years. (It could have been 4 but I was ambitious) I was lucky (clever) in that my employer paid for it. It was in engineering.

There are many others in similar trades who did the same. All in professions that were important to the economy of the country. This may seem like a crass statement but try getting a job in another country. They will judge you not on your degree but on your usefulness to their country.
 

Just now, only1swanny said:

It has been...

They charge you 9k a year now for tge privilege 

It’s on a never never repayment basis, which I actually think is a decent arrangement as it allows for people of all backgrounds to go.

But some degree courses are a fucking joke and a clear way for universities to maximise their income.

We need to upskill drastically or we’ll give Mounts a heart attack.

13 minutes ago, Spider said:

I spent most of my degree pissed.

As did every fucker else from what I can tell

The whole system needs an overhaul

 

I got a 1st Standard for a presentation piece in my final year, I was whizzed up and extemporised it, after I'd done I asked if I could be excused to attend my sister's surprise 40th birthday party.

I was actually taking a girl (an exquisite hand and a half full) to a Chemical Brothers gig.

Just now, BobyBrno said:

My further education, sorry, studying, comprised of day release and night school. 2 nights a week for near on six years. (It could have been 4 but I was ambitious) I was lucky (clever) in that my employer paid for it. It was in engineering.

There are many others in similar trades who did the same. All in professions that were important to the economy of the country. This may seem like a crass statement but try getting a job in another country. They will judge you not on your degree but on your usefulness to their country.
 

Ah and you see that's where your point falls down you are only measuring usefulness against practicality. The judgements aren't simply based on that.

In your view the more practical a course, the more useful it is and therefore it's higher value to society as a collective.

That's not a measurement of education, and opens up the whole hierarchy of needs set against worth.

11 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I didn't miss one lecture, for three years. I was quite impressed at that.

I did get kicked out of my first uni for never turning up, mind.

 

8 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

It has been...

They charge you 9k a year now for tge privilege 

And you tot up roughly what each session costs you, and don't miss any as a result and get pissed off when lecturers call them off...

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Ah and you see that's where your point falls down you are only measuring usefulness against practicality. The judgements aren't simply based on that.

In your view the more practical a course, the more useful it is and therefore it's higher value to society as a collective.

That's not a measurement of education, and opens up the whole hierarchy of needs set against worth.

What’s a lorry driver’s worth against your degree in playing the flute?

25 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

My further education, sorry, studying, comprised of day release and night school. 2 nights a week for near on six years. (It could have been 4 but I was ambitious) I was lucky (clever) in that my employer paid for it. It was in engineering.

There are many others in similar trades who did the same. All in professions that were important to the economy of the country. This may seem like a crass statement but try getting a job in another country. They will judge you not on your degree but on your usefulness to their country.
 

I went four years later than my peers, when I'd saved enough and had got a decent night job.

I might as well asked my mam and dad to pay for a moonshot [as help me go at 18, though they'd have tried] so I didn't [ask]...

Me and the then missus lived on a rough as fuck estate to stretch our income further, on fine evenings our neighbours would be making merry with cider and cannabis in each other's gardens, doing so when I got home from 'Further Education', would be doing so when I'd bolted my tea and set off for work, still going at 2am when I got home and sometimes when I left for the train and lectures of a morning.

And it is a crass statement as you don't know my qualifications.

Plus I don't fancy The USA, Australia, Canada nor New Zealand anyway, so no brain drain here.

I can speak French and Spanish - at the level of a thick four year old French or Spanish kid.

So it'd have to be English-speaking countries.

Edited September 25, 20214 yr by Youri McAnespie

17 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

What’s a lorry driver’s worth against your degree in playing the flute?

You’re a big fan of The Who, I assume?

And my night job was down an Asbestos Mine.

16 minutes ago, Spider said:

You’re a big fan of The Who, I assume?

Jethro Tull wasn't it, unless I've missed something

3 minutes ago, buckhurstwhite said:

Jethro Tull wasn't it, unless I've missed something

Either way

Imagine if wasters like that had pulled their socks up and got practical degrees instead of pissing about with guitars…

9 hours ago, Spider said:

Either way

Imagine if wasters like that had pulled their socks up and got practical degrees instead of pissing about with guitars…

Would've, could've...

Should've...

John Lennon - Draftsman.

Brian Jones - Barber.

Bryan Ferry - Welder/Coppersmith.

Andres iniesta - Phlebotomist.

David Bowie - Tailor.

Nelson Mandela - Solicitor, Whiplash claims specialist.

Alan Bennett - CEO of Yorkshire Tea Ltd.

Arsene Wenger - Mortgage Advisor.

 

 

Edited September 26, 20214 yr by Youri McAnespie

wrong thread

Edited September 26, 20214 yr by athywhite1958
wrong thread

11 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

What’s a lorry driver’s worth against your degree in playing the flute?

That's the nub of it,  you can' set value against someone studying engineering and creating a fantastic new invention for humanity against someone spending hours learning the violin and performing the Lark Acending with such breathtaking beauty and skill as to make it actually seem otherworldly. You really should have a look as Maslowes Hierarchy of Needs, it should open up this view you have.

Just to exist, or to live.

Edited September 26, 20214 yr by Not in Crawley

41 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

That's the nub of it,  you can' set value against someone studying engineering and creating a fantastic new invention for humanity against someone spending hours learning the violin and performing the Lark Acending with such breathtaking beauty and skill as to make it actually seem otherworldly. You really should have a look as Maslowes Hierarchy of Needs, it should open up this view you have.

Just to exist, or to live.

It wasn’t my view. It was the view of the lorry driver explaining the shortfall in drivers. I was just comparing it with what countries do to allow workers in by need. In a jovial way of course.

Short term visas have been granted by our Scarecrow-in-Chief

Come and deliver our turkeys then fuck off back to your Balkan slums you filthy cunts.