Expected some frothing gammon to have started this

How the fuck can these lot walk free

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/05/four-cleared-of-toppling-edward-colston-statute

Imo, it shouldnt matter who/what the subject is

Its not for a judge to decide if folk can smash something up

 

41 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Whilst they clearly committed criminal damage in doing so, the bloke was an absolute cunt.

only one of those points is relevant

41 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Whilst they clearly committed criminal damage in doing so, the bloke was an absolute cunt.

By today's standards, of course.

Back then, society was very different. Chances are, if you'd been around then opinion would be very different. 

Just look where some societies are now and why they are at odds with our modern ways. 

A lot of these people funded education etc, and didn't hoard their wealth and consequently benefited the country.

Not so cut and dried as to say they were this, that and the other.

This current behaviour of antagonism and destruction removes the opportunity for study of historical wrongs, and weakenes learning and debate, which perversely is what many of these individuals have had the benefit of.

10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

This current behaviour of antagonism and destruction removes the opportunity for study of historical wrongs, and weakenes learning and debate, which perversely is what many of these individuals have had the benefit of.

Closing 800 libraries does infinitely more damage to education opportunities than removing a statue, but I don't recall any Tories moaning about that.

Edited January 6, 20224 yr by Cheese

24 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Closing 800 libraries does infinitely more damage to education opportunities than removing a statue, but I don't recall any Tories moaning about that.

When was the last time you visited a library may I ask? 
 

personally I buy books now or read online and haven’t entered a library since I graduated. And then it was a private university library. 

17 hours ago, Duck Egg said:

No different to putting the windows in at Maccys as far as I can tell.  

You should be lashed and keelhauled 'Maccys'?

I go to the local library a couple of times a month and while its not packed always a few people in.

If it wasn't for Great Lever library - currently a bombsite still I'd be fucking illiterate - what separated me and my late old man, who could've been an artist he was so good at drawing - books, books, books*.

Fucking culture wars in effect - know your place and drive a lorry. Kick the ladder away, deny useless stuff like arts funding - what's the point of it...

Bollocks.

* (c) Tony Harrison.

 

Edited January 6, 20224 yr by Youri McAnespie

Culture wars indeed.

Know your place you scruffy oiks.

2 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Culture wars indeed.

Know your place you scruffy oiks.

Going to University from a working class background is like getting a suit of armour if you don't piss about academically. Piss it up though. There's fuck all wrong with apprenticeships or straight into work but anyone who wants to go to study should be encouraged to and helped.

47 minutes ago, Nowack said:

I go to the local library a couple of times a month and while its not packed always a few people in.

So it’s open yes? That’s good 

5 hours ago, Cheese said:

Closing 800 libraries does infinitely more damage to education opportunities than removing a statue, but I don't recall any Tories moaning about that.

It isn't removing one statue is it? 

It's now law that they can under certain circumstances. 

So much more, than damage to monuments.

It is also the huge disruption to universities by the same individuals, with eminent academics being forced out by soft arse managers kowtowing to this movement of denial of free speech, shutting down debates etc.

It's all there if you can be bothered to look for it.

Libraries closing isn't great, but local ones are often poorly used (the new one at Breightmet was always virtually empty when I went into the building) , and money may be better spent on schools where everybody gets an equal opportunity of education. 

Smart arsed, disingenuous comments just smack of a lack of anything of note to input.

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

It isn't removing one statue is it? 

It's now law that they can under certain circumstances. 

So much more, than damage to monuments.

It is also the huge disruption to universities by the same individuals, with eminent academics being forced out by soft arse managers kowtowing to this movement of denial of free speech, shutting down debates etc.

It's all there if you can be bothered to look for it.

Libraries closing isn't great, but local ones are often poorly used (the new one at Breightmet was always virtually empty when I went into the building) , and money may be better spent on schools where everybody gets an equal opportunity of education. 

Smart arsed, disingenuous comments just smack of a lack of anything of note to input.

Is it bollocks. That's not how the Law works in the slightest. I'd suggest a quick read of this:

https://davidallengreen.com/2022/01/the-rule-of-law-and-the-colston-four-and-why-a-jury-acquittal-shows-a-legal-system-working-and-not-being-undermined/

'Shutting down debates' means snowflakes moaning they can't be a racist homophobe transphobe anti-Semitic sexist shithouse any more.

Can’t help but feel the right leaning ‘suppressed white bloke’ have fuelled these types on and vice versa as extreme behaviour brings out more extremes from the other side. Can we blame this on brexit? I think it could be argued.

I objectify women I don't discriminate I believe totally in equality - I will get my cock out for any women I've leered at.

1 minute ago, tomski said:

Can’t help but feel the right leaning ‘suppressed white bloke’ have fuelled these types on and vice versa as extreme behaviour brings out more extremes from the other side. Can we blame this on brexit? I think it could be argued.

I think you're onto something there. I'd further it by saying it's disempowerment and dinosaurs think they're ascending again when it's just a death fart of a flatulent corpse. They'll all bugger off to Benidorm and menus with pictures and 'dos cervesas' as their only attempt to speak the lingo. They're a dying breed thank fuck.

I see both sides in a way; on one hand you have to ask why, in 21st century Britain, did we still have a statue celebrating a bloke directly involved in the slave trade and the forced repatriation of hundreds of thousands of african men, women & children. 19000 of them died during their torturous journeys so I kind of understand when many historians call him a mass murderer.

On the other, unwashed types pulled down a statue and chucked it in the drink, which in my eyes is criminal damage.

I have read that many people of Bristol have been pushing for years to place an information board to state the good things he did (built half of Bristol, slight exaggeration) but also that his money came from slavery.  It would seem that was too much of an ask and all requests had been refused.

Both sides guilty as charged m'lud 

14 hours ago, tomski said:

Can’t help but feel the right leaning ‘suppressed white bloke’ have fuelled these types on and vice versa as extreme behaviour brings out more extremes from the other side. Can we blame this on brexit? I think it could be argued.

I’ve heard it all now!! FFS! 

There was a black/mixed race fella on tv yesterday saying the decision of the courts was wrong, he made a good point if the folk of Bristol wanted it removing they should have put it to the vote in Bristol and if successful the council could of had it removed, no one could argue with that and I’d be 100% behind it. 

20 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

By today's standards, of course.

Back then, society was very different. Chances are, if you'd been around then opinion would be very different. 

Just look where some societies are now and why they are at odds with our modern ways. 

A lot of these people funded education etc, and didn't hoard their wealth and consequently benefited the country.

Not so cut and dried as to say they were this, that and the other.

This current behaviour of antagonism and destruction removes the opportunity for study of historical wrongs, and weakenes learning and debate, which perversely is what many of these individuals have had the benefit of.

I think a lot more people now know who Colston is and what he got up to. The idea that you can't study 'historical wrongs' because he's gone is nonsense. He's now in a museum just around the corner ffs. 

Society was very different back then - but at the time he was trading, the majority of people in Britain were against the kidnap and selling of human flesh. Colston and his elitist chums carried on despite this. The Merchant Ventures were massive hoarders of wealth - helping out a few slum kids doesn't take away from that. 

I'm glad the fucker is down - The black community in St. Pauls have been petitioning, protesting for it for decades, to death ears. 

The 4 who did it should have been given community service and a fine - not right to let them off. 

3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’ve heard it all now!! FFS! 

Makes more sense when you think about it. Both extremes wind each other up. The more extreme one goes then the other reacts. I could argue the swampies are to blame (or success dependent on thought) for delivering brexit. 
 

Both extremes are become tiresome though. 

4 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

I think a lot more people now know who Colston is and what he got up to. The idea that you can't study 'historical wrongs' because he's gone is nonsense. He's now in a museum just around the corner ffs. 

Society was very different back then - but at the time he was trading, the majority of people in Britain were against the kidnap and selling of human flesh. Colston and his elitist chums carried on despite this. The Merchant Ventures were massive hoarders of wealth - helping out a few slum kids doesn't take away from that. 

I'm glad the fucker is down - The black community in St. Pauls have been petitioning, protesting for it for decades, to death ears. 

The 4 who did it should have been given community service and a fine - not right to let them off. 

Its a bit boring though to find out the history and background. Just get offended about something you don't like. There's a few folk on here that would love the History Raclaimed site.

But of course, this will be seen as lets just abolish certan parts of the past. Which it isn't, but it is a really complex and ongoing discussion. People just like to focus on one aspect, because its easier.

Anyway, after a year of having to deal with it day in and day out, I'm glad I'm actually back to just making money selling stuff. That probably makes me a bad person, but it gets tiresome.

You're way too clever for us

We get that

"The people of Bristol should have had a vote on it"

They did you massive bulb. They voted for civic leaders to deal with such things.

Where does this thinking end? Have a postcode-based referendum on changing bin day?

Surprised Mounts thinks this way as he enjoys telling us we all get to vote people out in x years.

He must be having an off day.

I half-watched The Green Mile t'other week - it was edited, the whole point is Wild Bill was a racist murderous rapist, same with Scorpio in Dirty Harry - edited, which simply makes cunts look less like cunts. The statue guardian who then pisses on a memorial to a copper who gave his life protecting democracy - nice.