England cricket

[DazBob]

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Was it one he should have taken, irrespective of whether it was a tough one?

 

Yes, as an international wicket keeper he should be taking those, and he did.

[desperado]

20 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

They have every angle that you have, and maybe more

I went from the car listening to it on TMS, where you are right, they were dubious. To the TV, where they were analysing 4 different angles with slow motion and proved that it should have been out.

While TMS may later view Sky’s TV analysis, I don’t think in the moment they do. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I have to be honest, I thought it was clearly not out and I don't think think it's remotely a controversial decision

The wicket is only deemed broken once the bail has been completely removed from the wicket i.e. the bail is out of both grooves, and that didn't happen until Smith had just edged his bat past the crease

It's still a clumsy mistake from Bairstow though, irrespective of whatever else happened

[desperado]

33 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I have to be honest, I thought it was clearly not out and I don't think think it's remotely a controversial decision

The wicket is only deemed broken once the bail has been completely removed from the wicket i.e. the bail is out of both grooves, and that didn't happen until Smith had just edged his bat past the crease

It's still a clumsy mistake from Bairstow though, irrespective of whatever else happened

Did you not see the sky analysis from Ward?

As it happens in that moment with what the third umpire was viewing it was extremely close. It took Ward nearly 50 mins to actually prove it was out.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

15 minutes ago, desperado said:

Did you not see the sky analysis from Ward?

As it happens in that moment with what the third umpire was viewing it was extremely close. It took Ward nearly 50 mins to actually prove it was out.

I did and I'm afraid he got it wrong

By the time the middle stump is knocked back, Smith had made his ground

Ward was confusing the off stump with middle stump

[BobyBrno]

Surprised this hasn’t been mentioned. 😊

 

[desperado]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I did and I'm afraid he got it wrong

By the time the middle stump is knocked back, Smith had made his ground

Ward was confusing the off stump with middle stump

I thought he demonstrated that the initial nudge from Bairstow didn’t remove the bail, but the 2nd nudge with the ball in hand did and there was a video screen which showed that smith still hadn’t broke the crease line.

He also covered the fact of which stump was which as the middle stump had a green sticker half way down.

 

[Traf]

Re: the possible run out, a better throw straight to the stumps without bouncing would have helped

[globaldiver]

Looks like Stokes at 3; about time, too

[globaldiver]

By eck, some start

[Tonge moor green jacket]

More runs in 50 mins than th'Aussies got in the morning session yesterday, and there were 13 extras in the Aussies' score.

Reckon pitch may be as good for batting on now as it will be all test.

Build a good score, and Root to spin them out...

[maaarsh]

Betfair punters don't seem to have learnt their lesson - England big odds on despite forecast giving a decent chance there's only 3 sessions left in this match.

Australians bleating about luck in matches they won anyway need to wind their neck in - total daylight robbery this series.

[desperado]

Crawley looks imperious when he plays like this. 

Just to think it wasn’t long back when he was receiving some of the “Bairstow like criticism” with folk wanting him out of the side.

Amazing what sticking with somebody and having the faith, belief and support from team mates and management can do. 

Bit of personal mental strength and self-belief goes a long way too. Great to see.

As far as this game goes so far it’s one up to Bazball Vs Snoozeball - love that analogy the English analysts are using 🤣.

Well aware it doesn’t last though as this series has swung all the way, so fully prepared for an Aussie comeback… but let’s hope not.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

No one is saying don't play Bairstow though, his batting picks itself.

Not a case of waiting until he improves his keeping; it's so specialised that those small errors can be very costly.

Why unfairly put him in a position he is never going to be absolutely top at?

 

[L/H White]

Some delivery to get rid of root that 

Shame he couldn't see out the ton

[desperado]

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

No one is saying don't play Bairstow though, his batting picks itself.

Not a case of waiting until he improves his keeping; it's so specialised that those small errors can be very costly.

Why unfairly put him in a position he is never going to be absolutely top at?

 

Because it allows us to play an extra batter or extra bowler which is vital with Bazball. 

I don’t think anyone disagrees that Foakes is a better keeper, I’m sure Stokes said he was one of the best in the world! 

I’m sure you, the next man and the next man after that will come on and say drop suchabody here or suchabody there to accommodate Foakes. Do you not think Stokes and Mccullum would have had these thoughts and conversations too?  

These last 2 games Bairstow has kept pretty well. 

It’s risk and reward, these last 2 tests it’s worked pretty well for us. 

The collective performance of Bairstow’s keeping and batting has played a pretty key part in that. 

[BobyBrno]

10 minutes ago, desperado said:

Because it allows us to play an extra batter or extra bowler which is vital with Bazball. 

I don’t think anyone disagrees that Foakes is a better keeper, I’m sure Stokes said he was one of the best in the world! 

I’m sure you, the next man and the next man after that will come on and say drop suchabody here or suchabody there to accommodate Foakes. Do you not think Stokes and Mccullum would have had these thoughts and conversations too?  

These last 2 games Bairstow has kept pretty well. 

It’s risk and reward, these last 2 tests it’s worked pretty well for us. 

The collective performance of Bairstow’s keeping and batting has played a pretty key part in that. 

Agree with all of this. After the captain, the wicket keeper is the most important player as far as analysing the bowling, state of the wicket, batsman’s tactics etc. etc. For all we know, Bairstow may be better than Foulkes at that and therefore a more valuable asset. Who knows. Stokes and McCullum probably do and choose the team accordingly.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Agree with all of this. After the captain, the wicket keeper is the most important player as far as analysing the bowling, state of the wicket, batsman’s tactics etc. etc. For all we know, Bairstow may be better than Foulkes at that and therefore a more valuable asset. Who knows. Stokes and McCullum probably do and choose the team accordingly.

May be.

But definitely a worse keeper, which as you say, is such a key position. 

No doubt it's a balance they have to decide on, but for me they'd both play.

[desperado]

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

May be.

But definitely a worse keeper, which as you say, is such a key position. 

No doubt it's a balance they have to decide on, but for me they'd both play.

Who are you leaving out?

[globaldiver]

361

enough?

[globaldiver]

Bit of turn, wonder if Moeen can bowl?

[globaldiver]

Poor from umpire

[globaldiver]

All the time in the world, but looking to flog it anywhere. Weird.

[globaldiver]

77.2 overs in a day is fuckin rank

[Tonge moor green jacket]

17 minutes ago, desperado said:

Who are you leaving out?

Moeen.

Done quite well since he came in, especially at 3, but his fitness is an issue.

He's taken a few wickets, but not bowled massively, and Root could have managed it.

If a proper spinner is required, then lose one pace bowler.