April 19, 20233 yr 4 hours ago, Not in Crawley said: It'll be more than inroads- trust me on that one. Maybe. The new leader isn't popular, but if he stays clear of the investigation, as a chip off the old block, he could still retain many of the zealots. How exactly that plays out in terms of seats, who knows. They certainly picked the wrong person, but if the investigations yield nothing, then I dont think it will be a wipe-out. Current polls suggest they could lose half their westminster seats (45), not a great positon, but a few more going back and they could still retain a decent presence.
April 19, 20233 yr 8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Maybe. The new leader isn't popular, but if he stays clear of the investigation, as a chip off the old block, he could still retain many of the zealots. How exactly that plays out in terms of seats, who knows. They certainly picked the wrong person, but if the investigations yield nothing, then I dont think it will be a wipe-out. Current polls suggest they could lose half their westminster seats (45), not a great positon, but a few more going back and they could still retain a decent presence. A Brexiter calling other people "zealots" because they want to Leave a Union of countries... 😂
April 19, 20233 yr 26 minutes ago, Cheese said: A Brexiter calling other people "zealots" because they want to Leave a Union of countries... 😂 Taking back control only works in England apparently.
April 19, 20233 yr 2 hours ago, Spider said: They’re in meltdown aren’t they? The SNP are in disarray but independence is not just about the SNP.
April 19, 20233 yr 12 minutes ago, Farrelli said: The SNP are in disarray but independence is not just about the SNP. Personally I’d rather they stayed part of the uk, but it’s not the choice of voters outside scotland.
April 19, 20233 yr 2 hours ago, Spider said: Personally I’d rather they stayed part of the uk, but it’s not the choice of voters outside scotland. Same here but Westminster treats them with contempt so I could not blame them for wanting independence.
April 20, 20233 yr 7 hours ago, Farrelli said: Same here but Westminster treats them with contempt so I could not blame them for wanting independence. They’d be stupid not to float the isssue as it’s their only carrot.
April 20, 20233 yr 8 hours ago, Farrelli said: Same here but Westminster treats them with contempt so I could not blame them for wanting independence. Hardly, in what way?
April 20, 20233 yr 8 hours ago, Farrelli said: Same here but Westminster treats them with contempt so I could not blame them for wanting independence. https://fullfact.org/economy/scotland-england-public-services-spending/
April 20, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: https://fullfact.org/economy/scotland-england-public-services-spending/ Not financial contempt, then. Nor legislative, as they have widespread devolved powers.
April 20, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: https://fullfact.org/economy/scotland-england-public-services-spending/ It’s about their own self governance. Surely as a brexiteer you get that ?
April 20, 20233 yr 2 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Not financial contempt, then. Nor legislative, as they have widespread devolved powers. But taken out of the EU despite two thirds of Scottish voters wishing to remain. It is those sorts of things that they would like to choose themselves and not what gets decided in London.
April 20, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, globaldiver said: Not financial contempt, then. Nor legislative, as they have widespread devolved powers. To be fair, it is easy to blame your ills on Westminster. The regions, NW included, do the same to some degree so if we were Scotchers we would be similar, at least a large section of society would be I suspect. The issue is the way Westminster is perceived by many and recent Tory behaviour has exacerbated that enormously. It doesn't help that the likes of the Sun, Mail, Express, etc are stoking division and resentment of anything and anyone to divert from the government's failings. That rhetoric has took hold in the cabinet too now and we should be better than that.
April 20, 20233 yr 2 hours ago, Farrelli said: It’s about their own self governance. Surely as a brexiteer you get that ? Its also why Labours paper on more power to regional governments is so welcome, giving power to those who directly need it. I don't agree with the SNP, doesn't mean I don't understand the calls for independance. As I say just spent a couple of days in Wigan, fucking hell it's like a different world to the one I live in and the money that washes around London. Northernwesterners shouldn't be doffing caps but actually getting furious that parts of the country have been totally left wanting.
April 20, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, Winchester White said: To be fair, it is easy to blame your ills on Westminster. The regions, NW included, do the same to some degree so if we were Scotchers we would be similar, at least a large section of society would be I suspect. The issue is the way Westminster is perceived by many and recent Tory behaviour has exacerbated that enormously. It doesn't help that the likes of the Sun, Mail, Express, etc are stoking division and resentment of anything and anyone to divert from the government's failings. That rhetoric has took hold in the cabinet too now and we should be better than that. It’s easy, especially these days, to blame anyone and everyone, thus avoiding responsibility. A thoroughly modern illness.
April 20, 20233 yr 1 minute ago, globaldiver said: It’s easy, especially these days, to blame anyone and everyone, thus avoiding responsibility. A thoroughly modern illness.
April 20, 20233 yr Yes, the Boomer generation are notorious for taking responsibility for their own actions
April 20, 20233 yr 54 minutes ago, globaldiver said: It’s easy, especially these days, to blame anyone and everyone, thus avoiding responsibility. A thoroughly modern illness. Bloody hell mate Kettle. Pot. Black.
April 20, 20233 yr On 19/04/2023 at 18:30, Zulu said: Heartbreaking! 🤣 ...or in your case, visionary!
April 20, 20233 yr 17 hours ago, Spider said: Personally I’d rather they stayed part of the uk, but it’s not the choice of voters outside scotland. It should be though. As the majority of the UK population is in England and makes far and away the largest contribution to propping up lame duck tourism and whisky distilling lame ducks, the English should get a say. Might be a landslide vote for Scottish independence once the millstone around our neck for over 300 years has been highlighted?
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