Whitesince63 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Yes and that’s probably why we’re second favourites and the likes of Reading and Wiggin aren’t? Both are going to have to dispose of their better players and focus on youth and sustainability as well of course starting on minus points. Whilst we should arguably be stronger all round, despite the loss of Traff and Bradley, neither of those, nor Blackpool will be even as strong so whilst they may scrape top 6 I don’t see them challenging for the automatics. None of the teams coming up look a major threat so that’s nearly half our competition written off already. Out of what’s left no more than 4 or 5 could really be considered serious challengers if IE does the business strengthening which I’m confident he will. So I actually believe the bookies have it spot on with ourselves and Derby fighting for the No1 and 2 positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Casino said: 'Hutch' Neck on block, wont see next june with us Why would you be happy to see an untried kid as our keeper for 20 (+) games? Like Trafford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: Read this the other day. Can certainly see where we would fit in to quite a few of the things mentioned in terms of loan goalkeepers etc https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/the-loophole-clubs-are-using-to-create-fake-no2-goalkeepers-for-their-substitute-benches Feel sorry for Hutchison as he was genuinely impressive on loan at Colls but he’s effectively lost a season or more of his development playing in the low intensity of the B team when in reality he needed a season of being knocked about in the Conference North Sadly our no.2 last season was a real no.2, but a fake goalkeeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Casino said: 'Hutch' Neck on block, wont see next june with us Why would you be happy to see an untried kid as our keeper for 20 (+) games? Like most back up keepers, he probably won't even make the bench anyway so why put the budget into a second keeper when it's needed elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesince63 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 24 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: Read this the other day. Can certainly see where we would fit in to quite a few of the things mentioned in terms of loan goalkeepers etc https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/the-loophole-clubs-are-using-to-create-fake-no2-goalkeepers-for-their-substitute-benches Feel sorry for Hutchison as he was genuinely impressive on loan at Colls but he’s effectively lost a season or more of his development playing in the low intensity of the B team when in reality he needed a season of being knocked about in the Conference North Good feature that Matt and what a shame for young promising keepers. I personally feel Traff is going to be disappointed at some time by City as I really can’t see him ever breaking through into their first team with the money they can spend bringing in ready made players. Depending on where he goes next I still feel he’d have been better having another year here with us. It’s tough for outfield players but it must be super tough for keeers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 James Trafford will be in the Championship or a "Farmers" league next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 16, 2023 Moderators Share Posted June 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, tomski said: Like Trafford? Please lets not play that game forgetting the fact ones at city getting offers from division 3 and the others 3rd choice at bolton, even trafford had played league games Hutch will not play a proper first team game for bwfc Imo, obvs And no, ive never seen him play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 16, 2023 Moderators Share Posted June 16, 2023 22 minutes ago, Traf said: James Trafford will be in the Championship or a "Farmers" league next season. Id still not be surprised if he goes to sheffield..red n whites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Casino said: Please lets not play that game forgetting the fact ones at city getting offers from division 3 and the others 3rd choice at bolton, even trafford had played league games Hutch will not play a proper first team game for bwfc Imo, obvs And no, ive never seen him play He had played 11 From memory when signed. You know I’m not IE’s biggest fan but that signing was some piece of business. I’d alway take the gamble on the upcoming lad than a safe pair of hands. Edited June 16, 2023 by tomski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 16, 2023 Moderators Share Posted June 16, 2023 I just dont think our kid will get near making it On the wider point, i think evatt will have to have a footballer in goal Theres more and more of those available now Like gilkes, he was experienced as a saver of shots...at that time most experienced keepers were just that...keepers Theres now plenty keepers mid 20s who have grown up playing evatts way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, Casino said: I just dont think our kid will get near making it On the wider point, i think evatt will have to have a footballer in goal Theres more and more of those available now Like gilkes, he was experienced as a saver of shots...at that time most experienced keepers were just that...keepers Theres now plenty keepers mid 20s who have grown up playing evatts way I’m genuinely worried as I think we live and die with the keeper choice how we play. Needs to get this one bang on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted June 16, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2023 Never seen Hutchinson or Litherland but bearing in mind we want to be in the championship sooner rather than later, if no decent NL or lower L2 club wants either of these on loan, they aren't the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 From memory there wasn’t many goalkeepers in our league who played it about, I might be on my own here but I think it will be hard finding one to play evatts way unless he ditches that style (hopefully) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, radcliffe white said: From memory there wasn’t many goalkeepers in our league who played it about, I might be on my own here but I think it will be hard finding one to play evatts way unless he ditches that style (hopefully) I think it’s incredibly stupid in L1. Additional pressure not needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted June 16, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2023 I prefer keepers who can keep the ball out the net rather than footballers. That's the 1st requirement for me. Work on kicking/passing later if needs be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmed Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 hours ago, radcliffe white said: From memory there wasn’t many goalkeepers in our league who played it about, I might be on my own here but I think it will be hard finding one to play evatts way unless he ditches that style (hopefully) He won’t ditch it, no chance. 2 hours ago, Biggish Dave said: I prefer keepers who can keep the ball out the net rather than footballers. That's the 1st requirement for me. Work on kicking/passing later if needs be I agree. Every game I’m panicking like fuck when play it out. Not good for the ticker!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Any goalkeeper that has come through the academy system in the last decade is going to be more than capable with playing out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 16, 2023 Moderators Share Posted June 16, 2023 Exactly Plenty competent keepers who arent scared of theball now I shake my head at bolton fans who are still gerritup merchants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 I'm happy for us to play out from the back, but it needs to be quick, sharp, crisp passes with the aim of getting forward quickly. The 10-pass routine across the back and to the keeper just invites pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Casino said: Exactly Plenty competent keepers who arent scared of theball now I shake my head at bolton fans who are still gerritup merchants Not saying hoof it Traf is right we need to move it quicker It isn’t about not being scared of the ball but putting your keeper under unnecessary pressure which we did on many occasions isn’t right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted June 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2023 9 hours ago, Casino said: Exactly Plenty competent keepers who arent scared of theball now I shake my head at bolton fans who are still gerritup merchants I’m with you on this. There’s a parallel with the cricket debate on the other thread. If it’s tweaking something to make it better, I’m ok with that. Passing it quicker and swiftly getting it to the forwards is perfection - but not always an option, which is why sometimes it has to come backwards, sideways and build slower. But if the ask is to change our methods, philosophy and the way we play then people are going to be very disappointed - it’s not happening. You are going to have to come up with a way of dealing with your anxiety if it makes you feel nervous playing out from the keeper. You don’t rip up the blueprint, especially when it’s been part of our progression over the last 3 seasons. Playing out from the keeper, retaining possession and building through the defence has been, and will continue to be, part of our evolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) It’s no coincidence either that the good sides who’ve left this division recently didn’t play slow football at the back it was done with tempo and urgency also thinking back to our L2 campaign Gilkes didn’t mess around half as much as the last 2 seasons Not saying rip the blueprint up but let’s not become so predictable eh? teams had us worked out early season, I know there’s much love for city on here but think some have been watching too much of them😀it’s L1 football Edited June 17, 2023 by radcliffe white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) It needs to be more give and go than sideways and backwards. If the keeper rolls/passes to the full back, the FB's next move should be a pass to the CB or into midfield and then he gets on his bike for the return and we're in their half. It shouldn't be keeper to Santos to Johnston back to Santos back to keeper back to Johnston by which time we've four players in our own box with three opponents chasing. Then we have to bang it long and we've no height further forward and it comes back at us. Edited June 17, 2023 by Traf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizlar Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 It’s too slow sometimes and it invites pressure and allows teams to get into a defensive shape it needs mixing up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Traf said: It needs to be more give and go than sideways and backwards. If the keeper rolls/passes to the full back, the FB's next move should be a pass to the CB or into midfield and then he gets on his bike for the return and we're in their half. It shouldn't be keeper to Santos to Johnston back to Santos back to keeper back to Johnston by which time we've four players in our own box with three opponents chasing. Then we have to bang it long and we've no height further forward and it comes back at us. All down to having a midfielder that can turn, face and create. We are desperate for a ball carrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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