We had a discussion on here a while back, which suggested quite a substantial opposition to the project.

Now that there are rumours that the Northern section will be scrapped, what are the views now?

I was always an opponent of it, though softened slightly when an expert lady explained in more detail about the capacity issues on the East and West Coast mainlines.

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

Oh good....Mrs Sunak is speaking at the conference, fuck knows why. I guess she's just telling everybody what a good egg he is

So far....

Mrs. Sunak loves Mr. Sunak, but not as much as Mr. Sunak loves this country.

 

Fuck me, what is that music?!

Sunak's parents had a Pharmacy......who would have thought it 🙄

5 minutes in...Corbyn gets a mention.

11 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

5 minutes in...Corbyn gets a mention.

So he should, it's all his fault

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

So he should, it's all his fault

Worst Prime Minster we ever had, its true.

You're all getting new trains, lads!

18 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Sunak's parents had a Pharmacy......who would have thought it 🙄

And a corner shop?

Network North! Woop woop!

The north is getting electric trains!

Did he really just say we will spend some of the money saved on upgrading the A2/A3/A5? FFS. Thats more investment down south. Every penny should be spent Birmingham North. 

Edited October 4, 20232 yr by Mounts Kipper

Common sense prevails

26 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Sunak's parents had a Pharmacy......who would have thought it 🙄

Not a tool maker?

3 minutes ago, globaldiver said:

Common sense prevails

Shame it did not happen before they started the southern section, and let us see where that money is now spent, A2/3/5 upgrades, its a joke.  Lets have an election fast, and allow us all to vote on their plans... we all know they are toast. 

Edited October 4, 20232 yr by Mounts Kipper

18 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Network North! Woop woop!

The north is getting electric trains!

welcome to the 21st Century 😁

14 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Did he really just say we will spend some of the money saved on upgrading the A2/A3/A5? FFS. Thats more investment down south. Every penny should be spent Birmingham North. 

To be fair, the A2 is a fucking disgrace, and does need to be improved in order to help the freight that comes cross channel.

I do agree though, if they're cancelling the northern link of HS2, then that money should be spent to improve the infrastructure north of Brum

It'll be interesting to see which way Starmer swings on this one, as it's all he's going to be asked about for the next few days

4 minutes ago, Sweep said:

To be fair, the A2 is a fucking disgrace, and does need to be improved in order to help the freight that comes cross channel.

I do agree though, if they're cancelling the northern link of HS2, then that money should be spent to improve the infrastructure north of Brum

It'll be interesting to see which way Starmer swings on this one, as it's all he's going to be asked about for the next few days

My point is any money saved should be spent in the area where the money was originally planned to be spent. It is a bad look when the North HS2 is scrapped and the 3 road upgrades planned are all in the South.  

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4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

My point is any money saved should be spent in the area where the money was originally planned to be spent. It is a bad look when the North HS2 is scrapped and the 3 road upgrades planned are all in the South.  

I don't disagree with you at all, but it's pretty clear they're not that arsed about "the North" as things stand (apart from the Richmond area that he represents)

4 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I don't disagree with you at all, but it's pretty clear they're not that arsed about "the North" as things stand (apart from the Richmond area that he represents)

 

 

33 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Did he really just say we will spend some of the money saved on upgrading the A2/A3/A5? FFS. Thats more investment down south. Every penny should be spent Birmingham North. 

Taking back control?

7 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I don't disagree with you at all, but it's pretty clear they're not that arsed about "the North" as things stand (apart from the Richmond area that he represents)

Oh I don't know he also mentioned improvements to the Shipley by pass a Northern town, just checked who the MP is for Shipley and yes, you guessed it Tory.

5 minutes ago, tomski said:

Taking back control?

Not sure what your point is.

30 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

My point is any money saved should be spent in the area where the money was originally planned to be spent. It is a bad look when the North HS2 is scrapped and the 3 road upgrades planned are all in the South.  

The A5 runs from London to Holyhead. I suppose it depends whereabouts the upgrades are.

That said, if the road network is improved all over then that's no bad thing, as cars aren't going to disappear.

A2 would presumably be to help freight from Dover. 

As with any such things, proof of the pudding etc.

20 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Not sure what your point is.

Government taking control and doing what they want was a key point in 2016 was it not?

They want to invest in the south more with no interference 

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Just now, tomski said:

Government taking control and doing what they want was a key point in 2016 was it not?

HS2 had nothing to do with EU or Brexit, however the Tory government will partly be judged on this decision and I’m all for government accountability. 

45 minutes ago, Sweep said:

To be fair, the A2 is a fucking disgrace, and does need to be improved in order to help the freight that comes cross channel.

I do agree though, if they're cancelling the northern link of HS2, then that money should be spent to improve the infrastructure north of Brum

It'll be interesting to see which way Starmer swings on this one, as it's all he's going to be asked about for the next few days

Yeah - its not sunshine and roses down south. I go on the A2 all the time to pick up the kids, it is a total shambles and does need some serious investment.