We had a discussion on here a while back, which suggested quite a substantial opposition to the project.

Now that there are rumours that the Northern section will be scrapped, what are the views now?

I was always an opponent of it, though softened slightly when an expert lady explained in more detail about the capacity issues on the East and West Coast mainlines.

24 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He was discussing their rail link, as I said.

A touch of research shows he's correct, as rail tunnels connect the big islands.

Instead of trying to catch folk out, feel free to do what I do, and have a quick look to check if something seems odd at first.

It's quite informative too- world's deepest rail tunnel apparently. 

So who was the fella who said it?

Edited September 27, 20232 yr by Cheese

35 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So who was the fella who said it?

Do your own research.

 

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

I miss the shiny faced rascal

Wasn't the original route planned to go through his constituency?

Locals weren't happy so it got changed

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He was discussing their rail link, as I said.

A touch of research shows he's correct, as rail tunnels connect the big islands.

Instead of trying to catch folk out, feel free to do what I do, and have a quick look to check if something seems odd at first.

It's quite informative too- world's deepest rail tunnel apparently. 

there's 5 rail lines connecting bottom to top as far as Sapporo

around 1,500 miles and you can do it in 15 hours on train (or 32 hours by car)

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

So who was the fella who said it?

A bloke. Honestly, do keep up!

44 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Wasn't the original route planned to go through his constituency?

Locals weren't happy so it got changed

Wouldn’t surprise me.
 

 

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Do your own research.

 

Aye, it's a piece of piss.

Dunno the bloke's name by the way, just saw him talking.

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

A railway tunnel connects them.

fair enough.

I've travelled on these "bullet trains", not in Japan, but in both China and Taiwan, they are ace...and they're always on time, which is nice. From memory, when they're racing through the countryside, they're bolting along at something like 280/300Km per hour. I remember last time I was in China, I was on one for over 8 hours, at eyewatering speeds, we must have done over 1500 kilometers, we had first class tickets and they cost us about £45 each 🙂 (I'm not comparing costs to the UK, because you just can't really, but it was amazing and less than half the price of an internal flight)

i think theres more than one thing in play here

 

its easy to try to hide the massive fuck up by saying it wasnt needed

the pertinet point is its symbolic of the utter shit show these last 13 years have been

fuck whether it was needed, just look what a fuck up they made of it

wankers

shit and corrupt

Surely the other parties can use this to their advantage by promising to finish it off

21 minutes ago, royal white said:

Surely the other parties can use this to their advantage by promising to finish it off

Could do. Guess they’ll have to have a discussion about which massive shitshow to clean up first. There’s so many to choose from. 

11 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Is 50 minutes from Leeds to Manchester really such an issue?

Approximately 60mph.

If the trains were regular, on time and not overcrowded would everyone be satisfied?

 

The issue is that it is quicker and easier to drive. Because you have the time of getting to Leeds station and connection time in Leeds. That journey becomes nearer 1.5 hours. (We are one stop from Leeds station). 

If you think it about why would anyone travel into Leeds to get a train that travels at 60 MPH when you can do the same journey in your own car ?

To put it into context for a Saturday home game we leave about 12:45 to get over and have a couple of pints before game. Same journey by train I would need to a train at 11:30 from local station, so leave home at 11:15 and just off Trainline with no rail card it would cost £30 per head. 

Add in unreliable trains it makes no sense to get the train. 

 

Majority of times i use the train, its an away day

If im booked on the 920 from manc, i end up leaving the house around 730 in a cab to get a train from bolton

Yes its prob too early but you never know if its going to bother turning up

So, 2 hours from my house to the train from manc, 2  hours 20 to london

Its dog shit

And its just got worse and worse even pre strikes

And, all the time fares increase and increase

And the licence gets renewed

Sunak got shares in avanti?

7 hours ago, Casino said:

Majority of times i use the train, its an away day

If im booked on the 920 from manc, i end up leaving the house around 730 in a cab to get a train from bolton

Yes its prob too early but you never know if its going to bother turning up

So, 2 hours from my house to the train from manc, 2  hours 20 to london

Its dog shit

And its just got worse and worse even pre strikes

And, all the time fares increase and increase

And the licence gets renewed

Sunak got shares in avanti?

No his Wife Has

15 hours ago, DirtySanchez said:

Wasn't the original route planned to go through his constituency?

Locals weren't happy so it got changed

Osborne from memory

HS2 is woke, apparently

 

Woke trains. Fuck me. 

itll only piss me off even more, so save me the trouble

if they stop, is that it, just a nice shiny trainline

no trains, no nowt?

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

Woke trains. Fuck me. 

 

Thomas the Trans Engine

 

2 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

 

Thomas the Trans Engine

 

Very good👍

3 hours ago, deeane Koontz said:

 

Thomas the Trans Engine

 

on Trans Pennine Express?

5 hours ago, Casino said:

itll only piss me off even more, so save me the trouble

if they stop, is that it, just a nice shiny trainline

no trains, no nowt?

Not got anywhere near laying any track yet I’d have thought? 

2 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Not got anywhere near laying any track yet I’d have thought? 

So, we would just be pissing billions away and nowt to show for it?

Thats a whole load of illegals we could have housed

Just now, Casino said:

So, we would just be pissing billions away and nowt to show for it?

Thats a whole load of illegals we could have housed

Reet big hole in the middle of Camden tbf. They’ll probably turn it in to another Tube line. 

On 26/09/2023 at 12:54, Winchester White said:

Very true, it is mad that rail transport stops a little after 11pm.

I had a look earlier for my lad who's going to Leeds soon, the leg from Manchester Victoria to Leeds was 55 minutes. Its less than 40 miles away and it takes nearly an hour!

It's  fucking crazy. 2023 and no 24h service in a major UK city. The fact it was easier to travel late on 20 years ago says it all really. No idea how the fuck they get away with it.