Is this likely to get called off ?

Assume tickets will be on sale this week ? 

26 minutes ago, gonzo said:

What was the alternative?

Application let us down Sat more than anything. Just players not doing their jobs.

I agree with players not doing their jobs but them not doing their jobs affects how others do theirs. Cissoko does nothing to help Conway which affects him, then Johnston and eventually TSL. Equally we were overrun in midfield where the weakness and slowness of Morley clearly affected Simon’s. It’s a bit of a knock on effect but to be fair so many players were off it last Saturday that we just got what we deserved. 

31 minutes ago, gonzo said:

What was the alternative?

Application let us down Sat more than anything. Just players not doing their jobs.

That has to come from somewhere. 

Can understand to odd one or two not being at it- they're only human, but the collective performing so badly suggests something isn't right.

Largely excellent against Wigan then this.

They are now mainly SS players, and he has to prepare them, watch them, pick up on the mood, listen to questions etc.

If he's doing all that very well and they're still letting him down, then they're not as good as he hoped.

Consistency and attitiude is as important as ability.

Is there still a weak mentality?

Dunno the answers, but SS has to find them, and quickly. 

9 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

I agree with players not doing their jobs but them not doing their jobs affects how others do theirs. Cissoko does nothing to help Conway which affects him, then Johnston and eventually TSL. Equally we were overrun in midfield where the weakness and slowness of Morley clearly affected Simon’s. It’s a bit of a knock on effect but to be fair so many players were off it last Saturday that we just got what we deserved. 

Gale offers less than Cissoko for cover tbf. 

There's not much choice personel wise, more of a system change available really.

He can do what he wants but it doesn't stop Morley/Johnstone/TSL/Dalby not doing their jobs being shit cunts for the day.

I have to scratch my head every time i remember that Wycombe offered to BUY Morley, 

And we said no?????

16 minutes ago, Whitestar said:

I have to scratch my head every time i remember that Wycombe offered to BUY Morley, 

And we said no?????

He turned into prime Iniesta on the back of 3 good games for Wycombe

 

1 really well struck free kick away at Charlton about 3 seasons ago is the only decent thing I've seen that lad do, since Then his set pieces are awful, his passing is wayward and he can't tackle. Sorry but its a no from me.

15 minutes ago, Whitestar said:

1 really well struck free kick away at Charlton about 3 seasons ago is the only decent thing I've seen that lad do, since Then his set pieces are awful, his passing is wayward and he can't tackle. Sorry but its a no from me.

Does it only count if you've seen it? 😀 He's scored and created a few in the last few years, I've not seen them all either, but they still count and compare favourably with any other midfielder we've got now or had in recent years (unless I've forgotten anyone).

I've watched him play well, I've watched him play not so well, the same as every player in the squad.  I'm not sure why he's being singled out, its not as if he's a guaranteed starter, he's playing now mainly because there are very few options.  He'll be on the bench most of the time if/when everyone's back, and our set pieces or chances of scoring a goal won't necessarily improve.

A lot depends on how long Erhahon's injury takes. Though, tbf, SS wasn't routinely picking him prior to it.

I just hope he sticks to 4 at the back.

For me, a big part of it is constant personnel changes. We haven't got a settled midfield and it's different every week. You see it second half when chasing a game, two or three subs and we usually go to shit. I think the size of the squad is causing him a headache because he's continually trying to satisfy all these players. Look at Mcatee, gets nowhere near the squad then gets a goal and an assist in the pizza cup against a bunch of kids and he's back on the bench next game despite being deemed surplus by most prior to this.

I think we've got a fundamental issue with balance because both wide men (including ACD, Gale or Cisokko) are all lightweight as fuck and offer nothing going backwards. We all saw that two in midfield didn't work last year and called it out. Then add to that that the midfield two is different almost every game. There's no consistency or partnership forming because it cant. If it's erhahon and simons, then Morley and Sheehan shouldn't have had a sniff so far. 

Morley is a player that thrives on consistent game time and he doesn't have worldies or typically really bad games. He's usually a solid 7 out of 10 but that only comes playing week in week out. I imagine the same applies in the main for the other lads. 

Have the Gale or Erhahon injuries been publically mentioned? I haven't seen anything so must've missed it

Edited October 13, 2025Oct 13 by bwfc4ife

Been away so missed it. Beaten by the usual anti-football or were we just not at the races?

2 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Been away so missed it. Beaten by the usual anti-football or were we just not at the races?

Outplayed and outfought. So much so that lot's of people have begun sharpening the knives

Edited October 13, 2025Oct 13 by bwfc4ife

15 minutes ago, bwfc4ife said:

Outplayed and outfought. So much so that lot's of people have begun sharpening the knives

Cheers.

Always find this amusing. One bad result happens to all teams - Real Madrid lost 5-2 at Atletico for example.

Some folk are just stupid.

28 minutes ago, bwfc4ife said:

Have the Gale or Erhahon injuries been publically mentioned? I haven't seen anything so must've missed it

There’s two theories doing the rounds.

Gale has a knee injury, to what extent we don’t know. Erhahon groin (officially)

Or…They were left out because they can’t handle long and unsprinkled grass (unofficial) 

2 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

I agree with players not doing their jobs but them not doing their jobs affects how others do theirs. Cissoko does nothing to help Conway which affects him, then Johnston and eventually TSL. Equally we were overrun in midfield where the weakness and slowness of Morley clearly affected Simon’s. It’s a bit of a knock on effect but to be fair so many players were off it last Saturday that we just got what we deserved. 

Simons was shit because of Morley's "weakness and slowness".

Fuck me, I've heard it all now.

fwiw, Morley was head and shoulders better than him on saturday but for some reason seems to have become this weeks whipping boy.

 

 

Just now, wakey said:

Simons was shit because of Morley's "weakness and slowness".

Fuck me, I've heard it all now.

fwiw, Morley was head and shoulders better than him on saturday but for some reason seems to have become this weeks whipping boy.

 

 

Yeh I’m not getting this Morley bashing at all.

Simons was far worse on Saturday.

It’s like some are allowed the off game and others aren’t. Add Johnston and Cogley to the latter list.

17 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Cheers.

Always find this amusing. One bad result happens to all teams - Real Madrid lost 5-2 at Atletico for example.

Some folk are just stupid.

Tbf it's not just one bad result. Tied in with Northampton away and the failures to win on the road all season signifies an extremely worrying trend that needs sorting out pretty sharpish.

 

30 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Cheers.

Always find this amusing. One bad result happens to all teams - Real Madrid lost 5-2 at Atletico for example.

Some folk are just stupid.

One bad result ? See below.

As you say some folk are just stupid.

 

1 hour ago, bwfc4ife said:

For me, a big part of it is constant personnel changes. We haven't got a settled midfield and it's different every week. You see it second half when chasing a game, two or three subs and we usually go to shit. I think the size of the squad is causing him a headache because he's continually trying to satisfy all these players. Look at Mcatee, gets nowhere near the squad then gets a goal and an assist in the pizza cup against a bunch of kids and he's back on the bench next game despite being deemed surplus by most prior to this.

I think we've got a fundamental issue with balance because both wide men (including ACD, Gale or Cisokko) are all lightweight as fuck and offer nothing going backwards. We all saw that two in midfield didn't work last year and called it out. Then add to that that the midfield two is different almost every game. There's no consistency or partnership forming because it cant. If it's erhahon and simons, then Morley and Sheehan shouldn't have had a sniff so far. 

Morley is a player that thrives on consistent game time and he doesn't have worldies or typically really bad games. He's usually a solid 7 out of 10 but that only comes playing week in week out. I imagine the same applies in the main for the other lads. 

If you look at the bench Saturday whilst there players on there we have paid £££s for none of them were players who you thought should be starting or who could change the game.

I have been bleating on about this for a while that 2 in midfield away from home against solid hard working teams does not work. On Saturday hard to make a case for a player change affecting the system. If EE or Sheehan are available they have to start against Huddersfield alongside Morley and Simons. Sacrifice a winger to facilitate this. Front of Forss Burstow and ACD should be good enough to create chances. The problem is non of the midfield 3 are likely to chip in with goals, but we should have more possession and second balls to compensate.

We have scored 3 goals away from home this season and conceded 10. People trying to pin down to individuals and combinations is pointless , the system is failing. With Gale injured and Cissoko fucking awful SS must see a change is needed.
 

If neither Sheehan or EE are available then options are limited. But simply bringing Tutu in and playing same formation defies any logic. Seems like SSA is out of favour.  
 

 

31 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Tbf it's not just one bad result. Tied in with Northampton away and the failures to win on the road all season signifies an extremely worrying trend that needs sorting out pretty sharpish.

 

Aye.

If it was one result, we'd mostly feel as Bolty does.

There is a trend happening though, and that's concerning.

58 minutes ago, wakey said:

Simons was shit because of Morley's "weakness and slowness".

Fuck me, I've heard it all now.

fwiw, Morley was head and shoulders better than him on saturday but for some reason seems to have become this weeks whipping boy.

 

 

I didn't watch the whole game (I wasn't turning my back on it FWIW, had a prior arrangement) but from I saw Morley was "OK" without being on top of his game.  I think the incident where he gets injured and they score has influenced opinions of him compared to other players that didn't get injured and then concede a goal.

We're so bursting with midfielders that have dominated away games from start to finish that its a shame Morley had to play.

1 hour ago, wakey said:

Simons was shit because of Morley's "weakness and slowness".

Fuck me, I've heard it all now.

fwiw, Morley was head and shoulders better than him on saturday but for some reason seems to have become this weeks whipping boy.

 

 

That’s your opinion is it? Well it’s not mine and I’m sure not the opinion of many others. Let’s be honest, both were way below par on Saturday but for me Simons was weaker because of Morley but if you disagree that’s fine no need to fuck yourself over it.

58 minutes ago, desperado said:

Yeh I’m not getting this Morley bashing at all.

Simons was far worse on Saturday.

It’s like some are allowed the off game and others aren’t. Add Johnston and Cogley to the latter list.

Allowed a bad game (I'll leave GKs out of it): Christie, Conway, Simons, EE, ACD, Gale, Burstow, Forss.

Not allowed a bad game: Anyone that plays at CB unless its Taylor, JDC, Sheehan, Morley, Dalby, Tutu

Not allowed to enter the field of play, they run funny or are just annoying:  Sissoko, Randall, McAtee 

44 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Aye.

If it was one result, we'd mostly feel as Bolty does.

There is a trend happening though, and that's concerning.

Two defeats, at a total of 0-5 v Northampton and Burton is nowhere near good enough and suggests we still have a team that's different but still prone to losing at the same sorts of places as under Evatt. SS has some work to do, sharpish. 

6 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

I agree lusty but there must be a reason for that. Could it be that modern managers fill the players heads with so many instructions and systems that they basically have so much to think about when they go out that they forget to play their natural game. I accept that the game is more technical now but surely the most important element is a players natural ability to play a certain position. Instead of making a goalkeeper into a sweeper or a forward into a defender chaser why not just let the keeper concentrate on saving the shots and the striker in scoring goals. Ditto with defenders and midfielders with their core purpose. 

Yeah well their core purpose is to battle for every ball, win every tackle, make every pass and score every chance. The rest is decoration.

They won fuck all on Saturday. Passing wasn’t great, movement wasn’t great and chances were spurned.

Given the ability they have it comes back to attitude and/or fitness - both of which are the manager’s responsibility.

Evatt carried the can for the (relatively few) poor performances under his tenure, so Schumacher should carry the can for this shitshow.

 

And to blame the pitch is a fookin joke - remember when we played at Burton a couple of seasons ago and was a ploughed field with a swamp?