Is this likely to get called off ?

Assume tickets will be on sale this week ? 

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

It's not relevant whatsoever.

4 of the best PL managers

Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Klopp

best you've got is Ferguson in Scotland

Klopp was second division, the other two barely managed 100 games between them and Mourinho was a translator before a coach

so yeah

irrelevant

It's often thought the better the player, the less likely to be a good manager

Simply because they don't understand why players can't do what they could

Obviously, there will always be exceptions to the rule

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It's often thought the better the player, the less likely to be a good manager

Simply because they don't understand why players can't do what they could

 

Always remember being at Brentford away when Steve Perryman was player manager - late 80s it was. He'd been top player in a pretty good, and certainly big profile, Spurs team for 17 years (thanks wiki!) including when we were jousting them for promotion late 70s. 

I was living in London at the time so it was easy for me, but the few hundred die-hards who'd come down deserve much credit. It may even have been the game we finally broke our London away hoodoo.

Anyway, what I can picture even now, all those years later, was him using his experience and skill to beat a man to the ball, turn and make some space, turn again and take another out - and then thread a ball down the wing to where he'd been used to a player with some skill and proactivity would have been. Of course, nobody was there. The look on his face summed it up. He realised he's not with top flight players any more....

Not saying I felt sorry for him at all, the cunt, - but it really hit home what had just hit him, and that has stuck with me all those years.

I think what has to be most fustrating for me is that he had a winning formation, set of tactics and player attributes, etc at Plymouth. He has chosen, not to use them or the ones from his time at Stoke. It feels like we're trying to reinvent the wheel again, like were an experiment for yet another manager.

8 hours ago, Zog1 said:

he had a winning formation, set of tactics and player attributes, etc at Plymouth. He has chosen, not to use them or the ones from his time at Stoke

Loads of managers have had “winning” formulas or “philosophies”, tried to re-apply them at other clubs and failed.

It’s really not as simple as you are trying to make out.

And it’s not as is he’s using nothing from his Plymouth time; recruitment, familiar personnel, some aspects of formation/tactics (based around an attacking philosophy)

Lots of other reasons and discussions on the “manager roundabout” thread  too that I’m not going to re-hash, which I suggest you read. 

18 hours ago, bwfc6ix said:

I was about to comment on the CB partnerships chopping and changing behind a forever changing mid 2,  as in my head we hadn't started a consistent 2 for a run of games. Then saw Forino and Johnston have started the last 6 league games. League games only...

Forino, Toal

Toal, Johnston

Toal, Johnston

Forino, Johnston

Toal, Johnston

Toal, Johnston

Forino, Johnston,

Forino, Johnston

Forino, Johnston

Forino, Johnston

Forino, Johnston

Forino, Johnston

I'm ok with them two as first choice 

Johnston does have good games, eg Wigan, and we don't have a better replacement 

Whilst Forino does enough not to be dropped for Toal 

The weakest link at the back for me is TSL

12 hours ago, SatanGreavsie said:

Always remember being at Brentford away when Steve Perryman was player manager - late 80s it was. He'd been top player in a pretty good, and certainly big profile, Spurs team for 17 years (thanks wiki!) including when we were jousting them for promotion late 70s. 

I was living in London at the time so it was easy for me, but the few hundred die-hards who'd come down deserve much credit. It may even have been the game we finally broke our London away hoodoo.

Anyway, what I can picture even now, all those years later, was him using his experience and skill to beat a man to the ball, turn and make some space, turn again and take another out - and then thread a ball down the wing to where he'd been used to a player with some skill and proactivity would have been. Of course, nobody was there. The look on his face summed it up. He realised he's not with top flight players any more....

Not saying I felt sorry for him at all, the cunt, - but it really hit home what had just hit him, and that has stuck with me all those years.

I remember seeing Billy Bremner having exactly the same problem when manager of I think Doncaster, doing the hard bit then looking for players to anticipate where to be for him. Needless to say they didn’t.

14 hours ago, SatanGreavsie said:

Always remember being at Brentford away when Steve Perryman was player manager - late 80s it was. He'd been top player in a pretty good, and certainly big profile, Spurs team for 17 years (thanks wiki!) including when we were jousting them for promotion late 70s. 

I was living in London at the time so it was easy for me, but the few hundred die-hards who'd come down deserve much credit. It may even have been the game we finally broke our London away hoodoo.

Anyway, what I can picture even now, all those years later, was him using his experience and skill to beat a man to the ball, turn and make some space, turn again and take another out - and then thread a ball down the wing to where he'd been used to a player with some skill and proactivity would have been. Of course, nobody was there. The look on his face summed it up. He realised he's not with top flight players any more....

Not saying I felt sorry for him at all, the cunt, - but it really hit home what had just hit him, and that has stuck with me all those years.

I remember Butch Wilkins being asked why he didn't 'start management at clubs lower down'. He said he had thought of that but didn't understand what made lower league players tick so wouldn't know how to motivate them.

16 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It's often thought the better the player, the less likely to be a good manager

Simply because they don't understand why players can't do what they could

Obviously, there will always be exceptions to the rule

was having a look at title winning PL managers

and which had notable top flight / succesful careers and which didn't

pretty much a split
 

Succesful

Pep Guardiola
Kenny Dalglish
Carlo Ancelotti
Roberto Mancini
Antonio Conte

Less Notable

Alex Ferguson
Arsène Wenger
José Mourinho
Manuel Pellegrini
Claudio Ranieri
Jürgen Klopp
Arne Slot

You can certainly see what hes trying to do.

 

 

 

 

More fast counter attacking wing/wide play.

 

 

We Just don't get the ball to our wide men/forwards quick enough.

Wingers cutting in scoring goals 👀 

11 minutes ago, gonzo said:

We Just don't get the ball to our wide men/forwards quick enough.

Only snippets but that quick transfer from back to front looks to have been added by a carrier, who picks it up on edge of own box, bursts forward then shifts it on to the forwards.

We don't really appear to have that type at the minute, a Maghoma sort of player. Simons has shown little flashes but generally him and Erhahon are good at looking after the ball when they get it and starting moves off from in our half. 

Our wingers will definitely benefit from us picking them out quickly and getting them moving on counter attacks, we need to be better than we have been lately though at closing off attacking avenues and getting hold of the ball. We were all over Wigan in that regard but have dropped off since

40 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

Only snippets but that quick transfer from back to front looks to have been added by a carrier, who picks it up on edge of own box, bursts forward then shifts it on to the forwards.

We don't really appear to have that type at the minute, a Maghoma sort of player. Simons has shown little flashes but generally him and Erhahon are good at looking after the ball when they get it and starting moves off from in our half. 

Our wingers will definitely benefit from us picking them out quickly and getting them moving on counter attacks, we need to be better than we have been lately though at closing off attacking avenues and getting hold of the ball. We were all over Wigan in that regard but have dropped off since

Think that's why he flits from XS/EE to having Sheehan and Morley in there. To add that bit of ball carrying sparks.

Problem is Sheehan keeps hold of it too long and Morley is shit.

21 hours ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

I remember Butch Wilkins being asked why he didn't 'start management at clubs lower down'. He said he had thought of that but didn't understand what made lower league players tick so wouldn't know how to motivate them.

Pretty sure a certain Mr Ricoh started his managerial career at Torquay and said he really struggled as he would be asking players to do what he thought were simple tasks but technically they were not good enough to do them on a regular basis. 

So if you're managed by an injury prone lower league journeyman is it a case of Monkey see Monkey do??

20 hours ago, desperado said:

Wingers cutting in scoring goals 👀 

We were, but oppostion soon cottoned on and doubled up on the wingers.

That Plymouth side seemed simply more resilient. 

We have been weak and inconsistent in central midfield for some time.

That flat track bulky team again.

Nullify the wingers, get at us and bingo.

When it works it is brilliant. 

When it doesn't it's shit 

Not sure its worth making the comparison when that Plymouth team had better players.  Whittaker, Hardie, Azaz, Mumba, Ennis, that's 47 league goals and presumably many assists (I won't class Cosgrove as better, but he did score 8.  55 goals from 6 players).

We've got Burstow as a scorer (at home) and after that we're not sure who's going to pull the trigger.

2 hours ago, Ani said:

Pretty sure a certain Mr Ricoh started his managerial career at Torquay and said he really struggled as he would be asking players to do what he thought were simple tasks but technically they were not good enough to do them on a regular basis. 

knew a Wolves fan around the time Glenn Hoddle was manager

he said it was really frustrating because on the one hand, you could see the game and style he was trying to get the players to adopt, and it could've been great, but they just weren't good enough to play it - whilst on the other hand, Hoddle just wouldn't adapt his approach to suit the players at his disposal

he made them hard to beat because they defended but just ending up drawing all the time as were no good at trying to do what we wanted them to do going forward, so they went nowhere

It's disgraceful that this is still pinned, and the Huddersfield thread isn't. Mods out. Boooooooo.

17 minutes ago, Cheese said:

It's disgraceful that this is still pinned, and the Huddersfield thread isn't. Mods out. Boooooooo.

seems i've got to do everything around here

6 minutes ago, Zico said:

seems i've got to do everything around here

About fucking time.

Other mods have downed tools after not getting their cut of the fundraiser.