One for the pessimists

[desperado]

36 minutes ago, Zog1 said:

Things to note: SS has set up the team differently than at Plymouth or Stoke. 

Our current setup pushes almost all forward play to the wingers, it's then their decision what to do with the ball. It's game making for Fross or Burstow.

If they choose not to pass or cross, and go for wondergoals from 30+ yards everytime, which in a quite few games, they have, we won't win, atleast not consistantly. As we're basically playing 422 and they just get marked out of the game. 

It's interesting that when they have crossed, played short passes etc we've ripped teams apart, like at Wigan, what's concerning is after doing that, next game they revert to trying to get wondergoals again. Like it's something they've been instructed to do and we lose. If this is the tactics SS is training into them, we've no chance, prime CR7 and Messi couldn't do it nevermind ACD. 

 

 

 

Uh oh, this has a slight whiff of last years posts from you. Where you are starting to sound like you know more than the manager.

Edited 11 hours ago by desperado

[Whitesince63]

49 minutes ago, Zog1 said:

Things to note: SS has set up the team differently than at Plymouth or Stoke. 

Our current setup pushes almost all forward play to the wingers, it's then their decision what to do with the ball. It's game making for Fross or Burstow.

If they choose not to pass or cross, and go for wondergoals from 30+ yards everytime, which in a quite few games, they have, we won't win, atleast not consistantly. As we're basically playing 422 and they just get marked out of the game. 

It's interesting that when they have crossed, played short passes etc we've ripped teams apart, like at Wigan, what's concerning is after doing that, next game they revert to trying to get wondergoals again. Like it's something they've been instructed to do and we lose. If this is the tactics SS is training into them, we've no chance, prime CR7 and Messi couldn't do it nevermind ACD. 

 

 

 

That’s exactly where I’m coming from Zog, I wasn’t criticising them just questioning could we get more from them and like you suggest I think we can and at times have. It’s still a new team of course and ACD is young and still learning and I’m hoping that going forward he will learn to mix it up a bit more in his team play which I’m sure will make him an even more impressive player than he obviously already is.

[Zog1]

1 hour ago, desperado said:

Uh oh, this has a slight whiff of last years posts from you. Where you are starting to sound like you know more than the manager.

Was i not right about Evatt? literally years before anyone else on here atleast. 

I had him pegged, his tactics, ego, secret fallings out. 

All I'm doing is watching the games and drawing logical conclusions. 

You're not a doctor but if you went in for brain surgery and they started by shaving your pubes you'd know something was wrong. 

[Steejay]

6 hours ago, Zog1 said:

Was i not right about Evatt? literally years before anyone else on here atleast. 

I had him pegged, his tactics, ego, secret fallings out. 

All I'm doing is watching the games and drawing logical conclusions. 

You're not a doctor but if you went in for brain surgery and they started by shaving your pubes you'd know something was wrong. 

Ian loved it.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 hours ago, Zog1 said:

Things to note: SS has set up the team differently than at Plymouth or Stoke. 

Our current setup pushes almost all forward play to the wingers, it's then their decision what to do with the ball. It's game making for Fross or Burstow.

If they choose not to pass or cross, and go for wondergoals from 30+ yards everytime, which in a quite few games, they have, we won't win, atleast not consistantly. As we're basically playing 422 and they just get marked out of the game. 

It's interesting that when they have crossed, played short passes etc we've ripped teams apart, like at Wigan, what's concerning is after doing that, next game they revert to trying to get wondergoals again. Like it's something they've been instructed to do and we lose. If this is the tactics SS is training into them, we've no chance, prime CR7 and Messi couldn't do it nevermind ACD. 

 

 

 

Something in that, but I don't think they're instructed to do it- we're just watching league one players.

SS has told them to go both ways, and publicly explained it. It's what we all want.

It was notable that Burstow said (interview with SJM) that the first time cross from Christie was what he wanted. Not the first time he has said that, and it is a clear message to the wide players about their delivery. 

[wakey]

Been a breath of fresh air this year playing with proper wingers, and seems bonkers to me to question their contribution.

But I get the point in questioning the decision-making at times, particularly ACD (who's been ace btw, chuffed we've got him).

So for a bit of balance, our 3rd winger who most seem to have written off already came on the other day on at least two occasions made the correct choice to lay it off to teammates in a better position. Both resulted in shots at goal, one of them hit the bar.

If we're criticising for making the wrong decisions, shouldn't we acknowledge good ones (even if he runs a bit funny and does a gazillion step-overs)?

Or at least give the lad a fucking chance.

[gonzo]

6 hours ago, Zog1 said:

Was i not right about Evatt? literally years before anyone else on here atleast. 

 

No you weren't. Let's not rewrite history on the back of a dour end to his reign.

A promotion, 5 place, 3rd place and 90 minutes away from promotion doesn't make you right. 

Unless every manager in the land is going to come in to division 3 football and win the league by 30 points.

[tomski]

I reckon I called him before Zog anyway😂 for the little it matters

[wakey]

9 minutes ago, tomski said:

I reckon I called him before Zog anyway😂 for the little it matters

I slagged him off before I'd even heard of him.

[tomski]

11 minutes ago, wakey said:

I slagged him off before I'd even heard of him.

Understandable. Wakey leads.
 

Did you peg him?

I didn’t. 
 

 

[Eddie]

Some of the talk about cutting inside too much is valid, but you’ve also got to take into account how the opposition are set up.

Wigan gave us freedom of the wings, which meant both wingers could go down the outside, get crosses in, have short interplay with the full back to create crossing opportunities etc.

Some teams set up with a full back, a deep wide midfielder and extra support from the centre mid, it’s basically a blockade down the wing which means a lot of the time (not all, granted) they have no other option but to head inside, at which point the options are either shoot, or move it over to the other side where they encounter the same problem.

I’ve said it before, they aren’t perfect and decision making is definitely the area to improve, but if ACD made the right decision most of the time he’d be playing at the top end of the championship. When you also bring the opposition set up into it then I think it’s a more balanced assessment rather than just “why don’t they do what they did against Wigan more”.