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Just a recommendation which I've mentioned before 

Watch Bitter Lake by Adam Curtis 

It's the closest explanation I've seen to our relatively modern fucked up world

Worth bearing in mind our military is nowhere near as big as we think it is.

Its high quality, but not massive.

We don’t want to lose good men and kit for another mans cause.

9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

He has the backbone of a jelly fish, and is pandering to his faltering base and backbenchers.

There's a yougov poll that says 49% of Brits are against getting involved compared to 28% in favour so not just his backbenchers 

And if Labour did increase spending on day one that they came into office, how long would it take to filter through and make a noticeable difference to where we are today? 

And who would pay for it?

17 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Whilst ignoring the best interests of his nation?

Way behind on every decision. 

Even if he didn't want to commit to offensive action, he should have allowed bases to be used.

Nothing to do with being America's poodle, but doing what's right by us, the wider area, and Iran's people who want the regime gone.

Akrotiri should have been better protected. 

Been thinking about sending a naval boat, which may now be on its way.

Sovereign territory has been attacked, and he still won't do anything.

Meanwhile, naval personnel in Portsmouth are scathing in off the record comments.

That's after already pissing off special forces, and senior figures all over for not upping spending quick enough.

He has the backbone of a jelly fish, and is pandering to his faltering base and backbenchers.

Even Qatar now has its F15s up and in action, defending their territory and attacking Iranian military sites.

 

Interestingly, flight radar has the fewest planes I've even seen over the whole region.

Nothing over Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Iraq and Iran itself.

Apart from the odd tanker or fighter.

Looks like Iran is getting more of a pummelling.

To be fair, I don't think the PM gets involved in the nitty gritty of the placement of naval hardware. We have the top brass in the forces to deal with that as well as the MOD.

We are woefully under resourced across the armed forces and that has been so for decades. Not sure you can blame Kier for that either unless you think he can pull a fully operational type 45 destroyer out his arse and place it in the Mediterranean.

We have been let down by the MOD for so long now and we have a population who are unwilling to pay for a decent armed forces.

As for those politicians shouting from the sidelines, well, let's just say there is always a tweet...

13 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

There's a yougov poll that says 49% of Brits are against getting involved compared to 28% in favour so not just his backbenchers 

And if Labour did increase spending on day one that they came into office, how long would it take to filter through and make a noticeable difference to where we are today? 

And who would pay for it?

They were just saying on the news how recent polling shows that most Brits don't want us to get involved. 

They must all be cowards

Edited March 3Mar 3 by Sweep

What do we think of this as a take?

The US will allow the same regime to stay in power providing they scrap their nuclear programme and limit their ballistic missiles programme. 

And what happens to the regime in terms of a popular uprising - they will leave to the Iranian people. 

That's the only way any of this makes sense to me at the moment. 

Just now, Sweep said:

They were just dating on the news how recent polling shows that most Brits don't want us to get involved

After Iraq you can understand why.

I can also say without hesitation that the bastard taken out won't be missed at all.

But the fallout is unpredictable and worrying for Iran and the gulf in general.

It is possible to hold two or more thoughts in your mind at the same time.

5 minutes ago, Sweep said:

They were just saying on the news how recent polling shows that most Brits don't want us to get involved. 

They must all be cowards

No blitz spirit 

 

9 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

To be fair, I don't think the PM gets involved in the nitty gritty of the placement of naval hardware. We have the top brass in the forces to deal with that as well as the MOD.

We are woefully under resourced across the armed forces and that has been so for decades. Not sure you can blame Kier for that either unless you think he can pull a fully operational type 45 destroyer out his arse and place it in the Mediterranean.

We have been let down by the MOD for so long now and we have a population who are unwilling to pay for a decent armed forces.

As for those politicians shouting from the sidelines, well, let's just say there is always a tweet...

I reckon a large part of the population would be willing to pay for a decent armed forces over the billions currently being wasted in other areas. 

Edited March 3Mar 3 by royal white

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

 

I reckon a large part of the population would be willing to pay for a decent armed forces over the billions currently being wasted in other areas. 

No doubt there is waste abound in government and for sure savings could be made.

If you think any party of any colour rosette can make cuts substantial enough to pay for a decent armed forces that is popular with the general public then fair enough but I very much doubt it.

Personally I would happily pay more tax for a decent and well equipped armed forces, if albeit small compared to some.

By the way as an ex marine I assume you know more that most, why do we have so many naval assets in maintenance all the time? It's like they have the reliability of a 1970's Ford Cortina 🤣

As an aside, our F35's have seen their first operational "kills" today protecting our allies in the middle east.

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Whilst ignoring the best interests of his nation?

 

I think you’ve missed the point most are making that getting involved really isn’t in the best interests of our nation

3 hours ago, royal white said:

If anyone’s at a loose end tomorrow. 
 

I’m sure Hope Not Hate will be out to oppose the fuckers 

16 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

No doubt there is waste abound in government and for sure savings could be made.

If you think any party of any colour rosette can make cuts substantial enough to pay for a decent armed forces that is popular with the general public then fair enough but I very much doubt it.

Personally I would happily pay more tax for a decent and well equipped armed forces, if albeit small compared to some.

By the way as an ex marine I assume you know more that most, why do we have so many naval assets in maintenance all the time? It's like they have the reliability of a 1970's Ford Cortina 🤣

I’ve genuinely no idea, I couldn’t believe it when I came across this post yesterday. In 2000 I did a few months on HMS ocean, the newest ship in the fleet and what was meant to be the pride of the navy. It was a fkin disgrace, constantly in for repairs. I think the navy got 20 years out of it. 
 

 

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’ve genuinely no idea, I couldn’t believe it when I came across this post yesterday. In 2000 I did a few months on HMS ocean, the newest ship in the fleet and what was meant to be the pride of the navy. It was a fkin disgrace, constantly in for repairs. I think the navy got 20 years out of it. 
 

 

Admiralty House have been on, they’ve asked how quick I can sail the boat round to the Straits of Hormuz.

Fancy it?

I see Trump is flinging his nappy about the gaff again because he doesn't like anyone pushing back at him.

Anyway, France is sending some air support to Cyprus because our BAE ships are always broken and we still have some mates to help us out.

3 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Anyway, France is sending some air support to Cyprus because our BAE ships are always broken and we still have some mates to help us out.

How embarrassing

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

How embarrassing

It's not a good look for GB that's for sure.

1 hour ago, Spider said:

About time we had someone with a backbone, rather than a simpering, boot-kissing nonce who would let every American president gape their bum bum because they’ve got a bigger army.

Our armed forces are there to defend Britain and its interests, not just a bit of cannon fodder for a fat fucking mongoloid to use whenever he wants.

Aye. He’s just Hugh Grant to Billy Bob. 
 

Trump shat all over the ‘special relationship’ when he slapped us with tariffs and pissed over our war dead. 
 

Fuck him, bigly. 

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Which they aren't being allowed to do.

None of them are "canon fodder" neither. We don't treat our servicemen that way.

Anyone that joins nevertheless understands that there may be times when they have to fight.

This isn't about kissing Trump's arse, but about defending nations around Iran, its people, as well as our own.

Too many looking at it through Trump hate spectacles, which whilst understandable, doesn't reveal the full picture.

 

Why the fuck should we be defending Israel and the Gulf States?

Similarly, should we be in Ukraine too?

8 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Why the fuck should we be defending Israel and the Gulf States?

Similarly, should we be in Ukraine too?

They've got enough money to sort themselves out.

34 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I see Trump is flinging his nappy about the gaff again because he doesn't like anyone pushing back at him.

Anyway, France is sending some air support to Cyprus because our BAE ships are always broken and we still have some mates to help us out.

They are the most successful at wars so not a bad ally to have 

1 hour ago, DirtySanchez said:

There's a yougov poll that says 49% of Brits are against getting involved compared to 28% in favour so not just his backbenchers 

Then we're a nation of cowards and wet wipes.

Get National Service back from 14. TMJ can run it free of charge. 

We should be fighting at least a war a year.

Who cares if those orchestrating it are committing ethnic cleansing, or run by a total mad man. Fuck it join in, we still need to show a backbone. 

Rule Britannia 

42 minutes ago, Spider said:

Admiralty House have been on, they’ve asked how quick I can sail the boat round to the Straits of Hormuz.

Fancy it?

Hell yes, I’ll bring the rum and pea shooters 

It needs every European country to form a pact to stand up to Trump and his ilegal war , and make it plain to the idiot they don't support him.

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Hell yes, I’ll bring the rum and pea shooters 

All those days at sea and only each other for company 

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