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Just a recommendation which I've mentioned before 

Watch Bitter Lake by Adam Curtis 

It's the closest explanation I've seen to our relatively modern fucked up world

1 minute ago, royal white said:

It’s pretty straight forward. Where’s the protests, as the lady said? Where are all the professional protestors that we see for other events/people? 

I don't recall the post with what "the lady said" so can't really comment.

You do make a reasonable point about protesters though, I am sure the Gaza ones have brought in more militant protesters as things progressed.

But I would say the issues/conflicts of Gaza/Israel and Iran are completely opposed so trying to compare them is utterly ludicrous.

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

It’s pretty straight forward. Where’s the protests, as the lady said? Where are all the professional protestors that we see for other events/people? 

Again

it would be very odd to expect people to protest in the same way about Iran.

Our government doesn't provide weapons to Iran and is already sanctioning them. 

 

3 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I don't recall the post with what "the lady said" so can't really comment.

You do make a reasonable point about protesters though, I am sure the Gaza ones have brought in more militant protesters as things progressed.

But I would say the issues/conflicts of Gaza/Israel and Iran are completely opposed so trying to compare them is utterly ludicrous.

I’m questioning the actions of the left/protestors. The only thing I compared with the conflicts was the deaths 

4 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

 

But I would say the issues/conflicts of Gaza/Israel and Iran are completely opposed so trying to compare them is utterly ludicrous.

In a nutshell

Just another excuse to polarise and create a left vs right when there's no need to. 

You can go back and watch her video. It's pure nonsense. 

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Again

it would be very odd to expect people to protest in the same way about Iran.

Our government doesn't provide weapons to Iran and is already sanctioning them. 

 

Again. 48hrs after Hamas went into Israel they were demonstrating against israel.  
 

And there was no need for a link to Jeremy Corbyn I had already said he has made minimal comments 

1 hour ago, royal white said:

It’s pretty straight forward. Where’s the protests, as the lady said? Where are all the professional protestors that we see for other events/people? 

You've kind of answered your own question here.

If they were professional protestors, wouldn't they be out protesting this? If not, who can be arsed protesting about something every week?

There have been some protests anyway, weren't a few arrested last weekend kicking off outside the embassy?

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14 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

You've kind of answered your own question here.

If they were professional protestors, wouldn't they be out protesting this? If not, who can be arsed protesting about something every week?

There have been some protests anyway, weren't a few arrested last weekend kicking off outside the embassy?

Yes, Iranians. Not the usual pink haired unwashed freak shows or the Z list celebrities you usually see. 

So the pink-hairs and Z-listers care more about Gaza than Iran, whoever could have guessed.

Are you trying to make the point that the 'left' is a homogeneous bunch because every protest should be equal?

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4 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

So the pink-hairs and Z-listers care more about Gaza than Iran, whoever could have guessed.

Are you trying to make the point that the 'left' is a homogeneous bunch because every protest should be equal?

Nope, I’m asking where they are. A similar amount of deaths in Palestine and Iran (Iran obviously a lot faster) and nothing like The outrage we see shown for Palestine. Weird hey 

57 minutes ago, royal white said:

Nope, I’m asking where they are. A similar amount of deaths in Palestine and Iran (Iran obviously a lot faster) and nothing like The outrage we see shown for Palestine. Weird hey 

I'm sure there will be protests if the US start killing Iranian civilians at the same rate the IDF were killing civilians in Gaza. 

25 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I'm sure there will be protests if the US start killing Iranian civilians at the same rate the IDF were killing civilians in Gaza. 

So Iranians can kill them then 👍 bit off subjects but When do we see protests over here over the killing of those by ICE? 1000s turned out in Manchester and around the U.K.  after George Floyd was killed, nothing here, no kneeling at football matches, no WLM printed on Football tops. All very weird. 

38 minutes ago, royal white said:

So Iranians can kill them then 👍 bit off subjects but When do we see protests over here over the killing of those by ICE? 1000s turned out in Manchester and around the U.K.  after George Floyd was killed, nothing here, no kneeling at football matches, no WLM printed on Football tops. All very weird. 

Well I suppose we might naively think we've some influence over the US and Israel. But not Iran. Maybe that's it? 

I suppose the other difference is the Iran isn't a democracy. And it's the type of behaviour we would expect from them. 

I still think anyone joining an anti ICE demo in the UK has got too much time in their hands. Unless they are American which might make a bit more sense.

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Well I suppose we might naively think we've some influence over the US and Israel. But not Iran. Maybe that's it? 

I suppose the other difference is the Iran isn't a democracy. And it's the type of behaviour we would expect from them. 

I still think anyone joining an anti ICE demo in the UK has got too much time in their hands. Unless they are American which might make a bit more sense. 

There’s not much difference between ICE and the police, I doubt the 1000s protesting in Manchester after GF was killed were American. 

We know these protests never work over here but they still carry on, it’s strange that they don’t join in the Iran ones. The few I have seen do show some folk with israel and America flags, maybe that could be part of the reason 🤷🏻‍♂️

2 hours ago, royal white said:

Nope, I’m asking where they are. A similar amount of deaths in Palestine and Iran (Iran obviously a lot faster) and nothing like The outrage we see shown for Palestine. Weird hey 

the protests tend to come when a countries government is seen to be in some way involved - KS for example came out at the beginning and said Israel must be able to defend itself, and then there is our foreign policy that sees Israel as an ally and we supply arms to them, which enables them to do what they are doing

the conflict between Israel and Palestine has also had UK / global coverage for years and any time anything happens it's in the news, so people are far more aware, and I guess the reason why it's in the news as much as it is relates to the previous point about Israel being an ally

whilst on the other hand we have zero/minimal involvment with places like Iran or Sudan, so it's not seen as something to protest against

likewise the treatment of muslims in China - no protests, no coverage

16 minutes ago, royal white said:

There’s not much difference between ICE and the police, I doubt the 1000s protesting in Manchester after GF was killed were American. 

We know these protests never work over here but they still carry on, it’s strange that they don’t join in the Iran ones. The few I have seen do show some folk with israel and America flags, maybe that could be part of the reason 🤷🏻‍♂️

Yeah maybe. It's probably one of those issues where they don't want to look like they're in lockstep with DT. 

Can't help you with this one mate 😁

1 hour ago, Zico said:

the protests tend to come when a countries government is seen to be in some way involved - KS for example came out at the beginning and said Israel must be able to defend itself, and then there is our foreign policy that sees Israel as an ally and we supply arms to them, which enables them to do what they are doing

the conflict between Israel and Palestine has also had UK / global coverage for years and any time anything happens it's in the news, so people are far more aware, and I guess the reason why it's in the news as much as it is relates to the previous point about Israel being an ally

whilst on the other hand we have zero/minimal involvment with places like Iran or Sudan, so it's not seen as something to protest against

likewise the treatment of muslims in China - no protests, no coverage

You will also see it’s the same lot that demonstrate against Trump, not sure what our country can do about a demonically elected leader? It’s not just the demos, it’s the TV interviews, theTwitter posts, I’ve seen a few saying they don’t want America to get involved and they should be left to sort it out themselves. 30k dead is a couple of weeks isn’t sorting it themselves. 

7 hours ago, royal white said:

You will also see it’s the same lot that demonstrate against Trump, not sure what our country can do about a demonically elected leader? It’s not just the demos, it’s the TV interviews, theTwitter posts, I’ve seen a few saying they don’t want America to get involved and they should be left to sort it out themselves. 30k dead is a couple of weeks isn’t sorting it themselves. 

ok, was answering the question about where the iran protests are compared to israel

but regards trump - weren't the protests here regards his state visits?  so basically letting the government / monarchy know that they don't like him being here?

different things stir up different levels of "rage" in people, for lots of different reasons

not sure why it would bother someone that some causes get more attention than others

Because i agree in general about protests, they don't tend to achieve anything and are in that respect pointless

The UK supplies arms to Israel but it isn't an ally in the proper sense

Our relationship with them leans more towards transactional

For what that's worth

12 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Well, the military build up is well on the way, maybe even complete. 

Agent Orange spoke too soon before, but I suspect that America is going to give them a slap.

The latest videos, stories and deaths/missing suggest there may be over 20,000 dead.

Doctors treating the wounded arrested. 

They're going to get a tap aren't they?

Needs to be the whole hog in my view. Exterminate the vicious primitive authoritarian bearded twats, reinstall the Shah and give him appropriate support. The Middle East would be a far more peaceful region.

11 hours ago, royal white said:

I think you’re missing the point. 

He usually does.

9 hours ago, royal white said:

Nope, I’m asking where they are. A similar amount of deaths in Palestine and Iran (Iran obviously a lot faster) and nothing like The outrage we see shown for Palestine. Weird hey 

Simple really. It wasn't extremist muslims doing it in Gaza.

It's only whiteys and Jews who are to be castigated or protested against apparently.

Socialism 101.

7 hours ago, royal white said:

There’s not much difference between ICE and the police, I doubt the 1000s protesting in Manchester after GF was killed were American. 

We know these protests never work over here but they still carry on, it’s strange that they don’t join in the Iran ones. The few I have seen do show some folk with israel and America flags, maybe that could be part of the reason 🤷🏻‍♂️

Pick any prize from the top shelf.

2 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Needs to be the whole hog in my view. Exterminate the vicious primitive authoritarian bearded twats, reinstall the Shah and give him appropriate support. The Middle East would be a far more peaceful region.

Agreed, Iran is a potentially modern society being terrorised by extremists.

The Iranian regime is clinging to power usng religion. Marx referred to religion as offering a veneer that can mask suffering.

The economics of Iran aren't much different to ahy other state, when the Ayatollah needs to balnce the books he doesn't reach for the Koran, he refers to modern economic theory... he then dresses up his decision with religious mumd jumbo and presents it as the wiĺ of Allah.

 

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The UK supplies arms to Israel but it isn't an ally in the proper sense

Our relationship with them leans more towards transactional

For what that's worth

seems it's worth a lot

as in

Russia do bad things to Ukraine and they get sanctioned

nobody sanctions Israel

33 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Simple really. It wasn't extremist muslims doing it in Gaza.

It's only whiteys and Jews who are to be castigated or protested against apparently.

Socialism 101.

Think about it... if Iran became nuclear state alongside Israel, the entire region could be wiped out by 21st Century technologies being used to satisfy some pre mediaeval doctrines (both Jewish and Islamic).

Religion is a weapon used to control the mases.