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Posted
Just now, frank_spencer said:

Possibly but the focus should be on the Iranian cause no need for other stuff to come into it.

In total agreement mate. Just a very odd thing to do. Presumably this was Iranians gathering, rather than a local show of support. 

Who was waving the US/Israel flags? Was it a Brit who had their wires crossed or something? 

Posted
13 minutes ago, kent_white said:

In total agreement mate. Just a very odd thing to do. Presumably this was Iranians gathering, rather than a local show of support. 

Who was waving the US/Israel flags? Was it a Brit who had their wires crossed or something? 

It'll have been some racist thicko trying to offend brown people.

Posted
34 minutes ago, kent_white said:

In total agreement mate. Just a very odd thing to do. Presumably this was Iranians gathering, rather than a local show of support. 

Who was waving the US/Israel flags? Was it a Brit who had their wires crossed or something? 

Hoping it's just the good people of Iran, they don't need the support of anyone else, they've had enough,  as the protests clearly show ♥ 🇮🇷 

Posted
24 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Hoping it's just the good people of Iran, they don't need the support of anyone else, they've had enough,  as the protests clearly show ♥ 🇮🇷 

Won't be any dissenting voices from me. Providing we don't get something worse in its place. Imagine Iran being a democracy in the Middle East. Something I never thought I'd ever see in my lifetime! 

Posted
18 minutes ago, kent_white said:

In total agreement mate. Just a very odd thing to do. Presumably this was Iranians gathering, rather than a local show of support. 

Who was waving the US/Israel flags? Was it a Brit who had their wires crossed or something? 

Stood up in the library steps waving it next to the main group. They may well have been in with the Iranian supporters, just seemed odd and out of place.

Posted
30 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Won't be any dissenting voices from me. Providing we don't get something worse in its place. Imagine Iran being a democracy in the Middle East. Something I never thought I'd ever see in my lifetime! 

Absolutely fella and same here

Though it's actually in front of us right now 🇮🇷 

Posted
19 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Absolutely fella and same here

Though it's actually in front of us right now 🇮🇷 

I don't see a democracy forming- at least not any time soon.

Their man in exile may be the one to bring some relative stability, but there are so many supporters and security forces that back the regime, that it may simply turn to civil war.

We've got plenty of those types here, and if the regime decides to go out with a bang, then fuck knows what could happen. Indeed anywhere is Europe for that matter. 

Israel and the US will be watching carefully, as they won't want any nuclear material potentially getting into the hands of other groups.

Posted
2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I don't see a democracy forming- at least not any time soon.

Their man in exile may be the one to bring some relative stability, but there are so many supporters and security forces that back the regime, that it may simply turn to civil war.

We've got plenty of those types here, and if the regime decides to go out with a bang, then fuck knows what could happen. Indeed anywhere is Europe for that matter. 

Israel and the US will be watching carefully, as they won't want any nuclear material potentially getting into the hands of other groups.

Sadly I agree

 The regime will find a way to win.

During this internet/media blackout thousands of protesters will have been arrested, tortured & killed. Many will be women for resisting the oppressive religious laws.

 Their religious police make ICE look like Mary Poppins. 
 

If overthrowing the regime would help then I’d be all for it. But history tells us it’s more complex than that.

 

Posted
51 minutes ago, royal white said:

I think she pretty much nails this. 

 

 

nails what?

Surely everyone things the Iranian regime are a set of cunts regardless of your political persuasion?

 

Posted

Where do all these Palestine action nonces stand on all this then?

This is probably a better cause the professional protesters could've got behind.

 

Posted
11 minutes ago, wakey said:

nails what?

Surely everyone things the Iranian regime are a set of cunts regardless of your political persuasion?

 

You'd think so, but it's not entirely the case.

Her point was quite clear; there seems to be a different attitude towards Iranians than Palestinians. 

 

 

Posted
27 minutes ago, wakey said:

nails what?

Surely everyone things the Iranian regime are a set of cunts regardless of your political persuasion?

 

Have you watched the clip? 

Posted
2 hours ago, royal white said:

I think she pretty much nails this. 

 

 

I don't think a single person 'on the left' on here has said Iran is a victim of Western Imperialism have they?

Maybe you're talking about the radical left - which might be a fair comment. But I don't know enough about them to really form an opinion.  

Generally - everyone I speak to (whichever side of the political divide they're from) seems to be wishing the protesters well and hoping they manage to overthrow their government. 

I've got concerns over the possible power vacuum of course. But I think most people would have wouldn't they? 

Maybe a constitutional monarchy might work for Iran in the same way that it does for the UK? 

 

Posted
26 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I don't think a single person 'on the left' on here has said Iran is a victim of Western Imperialism have they?

Maybe you're talking about the radical left - which might be a fair comment. But I don't know enough about them to really form an opinion.  

Generally - everyone I speak to (whichever side of the political divide they're from) seems to be wishing the protesters well and hoping they manage to overthrow their government. 

I've got concerns over the possible power vacuum of course. But I think most people would have wouldn't they? 

Maybe a constitutional monarchy might work for Iran in the same way that it does for the UK? 

They think having sympathy for Palestinian civilians means you support Hamas. Well they pretend to think that anyway.

Posted
17 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I think the regime is fucked.

Already many hundreds dead, yet the protests go on.

I think the Don will order a strike, but only very limited, to send a message. 

As you say though, what happens after could be a shit show.

I think the US will strike soon.

Like Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, the place will become a huge shit show, once the current leadership is toppled (which it will be very soon), as various factions try to fill the void

Posted

Don't think she nails much in that video personally. Immediately begins with a huge generalisation of 'lefties' and just tars everyone with the same brush. Not a great start. 

Why can't folk think Palestine should have the right to exist, without also being critical of the Iranian regime?

I'm yet to meet a 'leftie' who doesn't think the Iranian regime is horrific. Many 'left' politicians and other figures have openly spoken out against it in the past. 'Leftist' governments have put plenty of sanctions on Iran in the past and continue to do so across the world. 

It is something that will likely require military action to topple though, which is a huge step considering it might not be guaranteed to lead to democracy and freedom for Iranians long term. 

You can want us to put more sanctions and pressure on the Israeli government and also want an end to the Iranian regime. Criticising Israel doesn't mean your ignoring Iran. 

Posted

Yeah she's being pretty generalised for me and it's easy to flip it the other way 

And ask certain folk if you support the notion everyday Iranians deserve to live freely and peacefully why don't you feel the same way about Palestinians

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