Collateral

[Guest as]

Anyone seen it? Watched it earlier on & it was ragging superb. If you're after buying a decent DVD then you can't go wrong with this one.

 

Also, watched Blow (finally!) the other day and I got choked up when he was talking with his daughter at the end..................must be going soft =;

 

PB

Still upset that Tyler Durden stole his Verbal Kint piccie [-X

[Guest The Special One]

Pb you're on channel 4 now mate American pshycho-Patrick Bateman

[Guest as]

'Is that a raincoat, Patrick?'

 

And then he chops him with the axe - superb film. Need to read the book though.

 

PB

'Feed me a stray cat'

[Horwich]

layer cakes a good 'un

[seasoned Traveller]

Thought Collateral was average, I bet Tom Cruise struggles with wimmin :^o .

 

As for American Phsyco, very poor after reading the book 1st.

 

Now seeing as it's the 60th anniversary of Aushwitz today, watch Schindlers List, one of the best film's I've ever seen......get your hankies out..

[Maggie Tate]

Riddled with inaccuuracies, Schindler's. People forget that Hollywood is not meant to inform but to entertain. If you want to know about Auschwitz then go, it's mindblowing.

 

American Psycho the film is bobbins, the book's miles better, usually the case.

[Smiley]

I think Schindlers is on one of the nerdy channels. might be biography or something like that.

Actual, nerdy is wrong. I watched a documentary about Ted Bundy the other night. A lot of real footage. Not seen him before. He was a truly unusual bloke. Had the guile and knowledge to defend himself in court. Escaped from imprisonment twice and had a huge fan club of women admirers.

I've also seen a film on him (I think there have been 2 made) - not sure if they have exercised their artistic boundaries - but he had women visiting him in prison just to shag him.

 

Watched Collateral on the plane a couple of weeks ago. It was okay. Nowt special. Also watched Wimbledon. Now there's a film to discuss.

[Maggie Tate]

Speaking of wimmin falling in love with mass murderers:

 

 

What do women see in Peter Sutcliffe?

 

In the 20 years Peter Sutcliffe has been behind bars, he has struck up intense relationships with dozens of women. BBC News Online's Megan Lane asks what they see in the Yorkshire Ripper?

Peter Sutcliffe must appear to be the ideal pen pal to the string of women who write to him.

 

The convicted serial killer fills pages and pages with warm and chatty banter. "You are a breath of fresh air," he writes to one. To another: "I like this cloud nine thing with you."

 

There has always been a strong sexual attraction to men who are so-called 'bad boys'

 

Petruska Clarkson

Twenty years ago this month, Sutcliffe was sentenced to a minimum of 30 years for brutally murdering 13 women.

 

Despite his notoriety, he receives an average of 30 letters a week from women. Some are sympathetic, others lovelorn.

 

But there's a difference between writing to someone on death row, as many people do because they oppose capital punishment, and becoming obsessed with a dangerous stranger.

 

What possesses these women to forge a long-distance relationship with Sutcliffe? Three of his pen pals reveal all in an Everyman documentary entitled Dear Peter - Letters To The Yorkshire Ripper.

 

Diane Simpson, a handwriting analyst from Cheshire, has exchanged more than 500 letters and spent 400 hours visiting Sutcliffe in Broadmoor over the past 10 years.

 

She worked on the original manhunt and, still fascinated, wrote to him after his conviction. His letters piqued her interest by repeatedly hinting that he would confess to other crimes, she says.

 

Sandra Lester moved house to be near Sutcliffe

 

Artist Sandra Lester began writing to Sutcliffe in 1990 while trying to come to terms with the abuse she suffered as a child.

 

She read an article about him and decided to "extend a Christian hand of support". After exchanging letters daily for a year, she believed she had found lasting love with the killer.

 

But he refused to allow her visiting rights, telling prison authorities that he wanted numerous female friends.

 

Olive Curry refuses to accept Sutcliffe's denial

 

Olive Curry, from Tyneside, started writing to Sutcliffe because she believed he used to visit the canteen where she worked.

 

She says she wanted him to reveal the identity of his companion, whom she believed could have been his accomplice. Although Sutcliffe denies having been to the canteen, the pair have exchanged 500 letters.

 

'Sadistic thing to do'

 

Newcastle University psychologist Dr George Erdos says for men like Sutcliffe, letter-writing not only fills the long boring days behind bars.

 

"People who kill women, particularly prostitutes, do it for reasons of inadequacy.

 

"They don't like women, or they're frightened of them. Being in prison, an all-male environment, means there's little chance to vent that aggression.

 

"This way, he can manipulate women by telling them how special they are, then cause grief by saying, 'You know you're not the only one'. It's a sadistic thing to do."

 

'Bad boy' appeal

 

Professor Petruska Clarkson, a consultant psychologist and relationship psychotherapist, says convicts may also seek attention in this way because it's a basic human need to form bonds with others.

 

The Krays both married women who contacted them in prison

 

Both agree that it's harder to pin down what's in it for those on the outside.

 

Diane Simpson, Sandra Lester and Olive Curry have their reasons. Others may first make contact because they are lonely, curious, or caught up in a religious fervour to forgive the unforgivable, Dr Erdos says.

 

Professor Clarkson says some may fantasise that a man like Sutcliffe may be the way he is because he has yet to be loved by the right person - and they may well be the one.

 

"This is certainly a way to feel special and unique."

 

For someone who has been abused or neglected, it can be deeply satisfying to be special to someone so desperate for relationship.

 

"And there has always been a strong sexual attraction to men who are so-called 'bad boys'," Professor Clarkson says.

 

"Villains capture the imagination. Human beings are interested in those who live by extremes since they often do what other, more ordinary mortals, cannot bear to think of themselves capable [of doing]."

 

There's a fella in Leigh who we used to drink with who had been in regular correspondence with Myra Hindley for 20 years. He used to write plays based on the letters.

[Widnes Two Hats]

I watched a documentary about Ted Bundy the other night.

 

He used to make me laugh when he was in Married with Children, he hated working in that shoe shop

[Casino]

I watched a documentary about Ted Bundy the other night.

 

He used to make me laugh when he was in Married with Children, he hated working in that shoe shop

 

 

indeed widnes

 

indeed

 

[Mr Softee]

For a scary film watch Channel 4 at 9 tonight. Fahrenheit 9/11. Bit biased but there must be some truth to it.

[Maggie Tate]

Michael Moore. There's another A1 red ginger. The amount of cunts, tossers and shitheads I've come into contact with today has been outrageous. I want to go home.

[Zico]

watch Schindlers List, one of the best film's I've ever seen......get your hankies out..

 

aye, I was told you'd need plenty of kleenex for this one, something do with an explicit shower scene

[C86]

Not as good as "man of fire".

[Traf]

Schindlers Lifts?

 

Personally, I prefer Otis Lifts.