Big John Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 Just read article. I totally agee. Some of the staff need a reality check! In five years time, when the present team and management have retired, we will still be there. Day in, day out, supporting the team we have loved through out all the bad times and the good
blackleywhite Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 Everton are chasing a place in the Champions League, they were 0-2 down from the first leg and yet they still put out their strongest side. The 'world's tallest dwarf contest' is one in which Villa, Spurs, Pompey, City, etc, would give anything to take part in next season. Did you even read the list of previous winners? Are Everton in fear of relegation? Were they away 2nd leg? If Villa, Spurs, Pompey, City etc were in the bottom 3 and in the last 16 of the waffer do you think that they would play their strongest team? Uefa cup is an also ran competition. We have enjoyed it cos we got to go all over europe getting pissed, not because of the competition itself. As has been said before, had we won on Sunday this thread would not exist. The fcuk up was that we lost.
jules_darby Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 Are Everton in fear of relegation?Were they away 2nd leg? If Villa, Spurs, Pompey, City etc were in the bottom 3 and in the last 16 of the waffer do you think that they would play their strongest team? Uefa cup is an also ran competition. We have enjoyed it cos we got to go all over europe getting pissed, not because of the competition itself. As has been said before, had we won on Sunday this thread would not exist. The fcuk up was that we lost. Aye, but we did lose. Therefore there needs to be accountability - it's no good saying well it was a good idea at the time. You say that the UEFA cup is an also-ran competition, but in the same post state that Everton played their strongest team; why would they if it's such a waste of time?
Rembrandt Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 Maybe we should ask to opt out of all cup competitions untill we feel we're safely established in the Prem. Isn't that the answer ? Oh, wait a minute, we thought we were established until last August.
Rembrandt Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 On further thought, this must have been written by a Wanderers fan. ?Football should be about glory and honour. It should be about winning, pride and entertainment, inspiring a community and striving for accomplishments that will stand the test of time.? Wow ? dreamland in the modern game, at Prem level. ?Instead, Megson effectively told his players they were incapable of playing two games in such a short space of time and that they were not good enough to bother about Europe either. With this endorsement ringing in their ears Bolton went out and promptly proved it.? Exactly the flood of negativity that the club are drowning themselves in. If the players are told they aren?t capable of playing Lisbon and Wigan in 4 days, why will they believe they can play against Wigan, United, and City in 7 days ? ?But Bolton represent the ugly truth of the game. It is now a chase for money, not glory and some are quite prepared to scrabble around in the gutter for their pennies, throwing aside trinkets like medals because they don't understand their true worth.? That?s the one that really baffles me (as I?ve posted elsewhere). If the club?s debt goes up by a few million every season we stay in the Prem, what ?money? are we actually chasing for ? ?They seem happy to accept their place and live down to their limitations.? Yeah ! Exactly the point that our ?we?re over-achieving and it can?t be maintained? brigade don?t seem to appreciate. It?s negative thinking. If you don?t think positive and aim for the top, you?ve no chance of surviving anywhere near the top. IMO.
Traf Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 The decision to throw the Lisbon game wasn't Megson's to make.If the owner/Gartside wanted the strongest side played in Lisbon,Megson would have been ordered to play it. At last! Somebody else sees it too! The decision about the weakened squad wasn't made by Megson. He was given a list of 18 he could take.
blackleywhite Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 Aye, but we did lose. Therefore there needs to be accountability - it's no good saying well it was a good idea at the time. You say that the UEFA cup is an also-ran competition, but in the same post state that Everton played their strongest team; why would they if it's such a waste of time? It is a luxury that they can afford. We, however, cannot. Dont get me wrong, I loved fannying about in foreign climes. But we played weakened teams throughout the competition, not just last Thursday. It's a shitter we are out, it's a shitter that we lost on Sunday. Lets hope for a better performance against the bellends on Weds.
trotter58 Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 The decision about the weakened squad wasn't made by Megson. He was given a list of 18 he could take. And what self-respecting manager would have put up with that?
Traf Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 One who wants to keep his job, which already hangs in the balance.
trotter58 Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 One who wants to keep his job, which already hangs in the balance. Exactly. Because no-one else will employ him.
jolly-olly Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 So do ManU get the same criticism for devaluing the Carling Cup by playing an understrength team and losing to Coventry? No! Do they fcuk! The difference is that their second string is worth millions. When we play a second string it is very noticeable because they are unknowns. Do ManU get this kind of criticism when they decide not to take part in the FA Cup so they can go half way around the world to take part in a tin pot competition? I understand why Megson did this but it backfired big time.
james phillips Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 it was an insult to all the fans who had paid good money to make that trip to Lisbon, as well as the journeys that preceded it. After this slap in the face, many won't make the same mistake next time. Cant argue with that !... I now feel cheeted spending all my familys holiday cash on that rubbish,and that i deluded myself and actually got excited about the prospect of winning somthing in my life time. it would not surprise me in the least if we went to trafford park and get somthing off that pile of red shite, then we will loose the plot and get stuffed for the rest of the season. Iam not sure if its near the end for me?
Casino Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 not sure if that was his point, think he was letting us know how a) p?ssed off, gutted the ones that were left behind were apparently his man management skills had a similar effect at forest they could all have played if they hadn't been unable to score just a few of numerous excellent chances in recent weeks not megsons fault that all their own turning on the players at this stage won't help anybody, but theyre the ones to blame for this mess
Casino Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 it was an insult to all the fans who had paid good money to make that trip to Lisbon, as well as the journeys that preceded it. After this slap in the face, many won't make the same mistake next time. Cant argue with that !... I now feel cheeted spending all my familys holiday cash on that rubbish,and that i deluded myself and actually got excited about the prospect of winning somthing in my life time. it would not surprise me in the least if we went to trafford park and get somthing off that pile of red shite, then we will loose the plot and get stuffed for the rest of the season. Iam not sure if its near the end for me? bollocks i didn't go to any of the games expecting much more than a good laugh
frank_spencer Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 Exactly. Because no-one else will employ him. Ok you work for Joe Bloggs building firm, your boss says i want you to use Dave, Bob and John on this job, but you know that Steve, Fred and Bert would do a better job. However the 2nd job is more important to the long term survival of the business so needs the best men. do you go against the wishes of your boss nowing that if it all goes wrong it's your head on the block or do you do as your told as you quite like your job and yes you'd probably struggle to get one as good again.
trotter58 Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 So do ManU get the same criticism for devaluing the Carling Cup by playing an understrength team and losing to Coventry? No! Do they fcuk! The difference is that their second string is worth millions. When we play a second string it is very noticeable because they are unknowns. No the difference is that Utd can afford to piss away a cup competition every now and then because they'll have another chance to win it the following season. We will never have a better chance to reach the last eight of the UEFA Cup ever again. FACT.
trotter58 Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 Ok you work for Joe Bloggs building firm, your boss says i want you to use Dave, Bob and John on this job, but you know that Steve, Fred and Bert would do a better job. However the 2nd job is more important to the long term survival of the business so needs the best men.do you go against the wishes of your boss nowing that if it all goes wrong it's your head on the block or do you do as your told as you quite like your job and yes you'd probably struggle to get one as good again. I've got a better analogy. Let's just assume that your name is Garry Megson and you're a football manager and in your last job you took Forest into the third division and then in your next job you took a Premier League team down, chances are you'd struggle to get hired again.
james phillips Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 bollocks i didn't go to any of the games expecting much more than a good laugh Quote " diving for dear life when we could be diving for pearls"
frank_spencer Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 I've got a better analogy. Let's just assume that your name is Garry Megson and you're a football manager and in your last job you took Forest into the third division and then in your next job you took a Premier League team down, chances are you'd struggle to get hired again. his last job? wasn't he at leicester last. also he was in the same position at forest as he is at bolton Joe Kinnear left them already deep in the relegation crap and he couldn't get them out. As i've said before he is not the man long term but he's all we've got or are likely to get until at least May/June
Traf Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 I think I'm missing something here. Are we in a better or worse position than before he arrived?
trotter58 Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 his last job? wasn't he at leicester last. You're right. I'd forgotton about the trophy-laden month at Leicester.
ex_midlandwhite Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 I think I'm missing something here. Are we in a better or worse position than before he arrived? You could probably argue that one either way! League position wise then better. However we probably needed less points per game to stop up than we do now (and 3 of the remaining games are extremely tough). Plus we had Anelka when he arrived and don't now. Though that's a naughty argument because that wasn't Megson's fault In my opinion we're in a better position as Sammy Lee had no experience of a relegation battle but our Gary does
jeep Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 Are we closer to safety than before he arrived? We were bottom when he took over. On form since he took over we would be 14th. 20 pts from 20 games. Bottom 3 in the same period would be 18th - Fulham 16pts 19th - Newcastle 15pts 20th - Derby 5pts. Now wheres my boring pills?!
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