February 19, 200917 yr I think Bullard is finished at the top level, the 2 breakdowns in such a short time do not bode well, unfortunately for Hull they will be paying for this for the next 4 1/2 years. No they won't. They will have Bullard insured against injury ending his career. Way back Newcastle Utd signed Tony Green from Blackpool for a sizeable fee. In Green's first or second match for Newcastle, he suffered an injury which finished his career. Newcastle were able to get the transfer fee back from insurance.
February 19, 200917 yr No they won't. They will have Bullard insured against injury ending his career. Way back Newcastle Utd signed Tony Green from Blackpool for a sizeable fee. In Green's first or second match for Newcastle, he suffered an injury which finished his career. Newcastle were able to get the transfer fee back from insurance. I wonder how much it would have cost to insure Bullard in the first place though
February 19, 200917 yr No they won't. They will have Bullard insured against injury ending his career. Way back Newcastle Utd signed Tony Green from Blackpool for a sizeable fee. In Green's first or second match for Newcastle, he suffered an injury which finished his career. Newcastle were able to get the transfer fee back from insurance. The Tony Green off here or the "and Bully's special prize" one?
February 19, 200917 yr The Tony Green off here or the "and Bully's special prize" one? The Scottish international. Having thought about it I think Tony Green played for Newcastle a bit longer than I originally suggested.
February 19, 200917 yr No they won't. They will have Bullard insured against injury ending his career. Way back Newcastle Utd signed Tony Green from Blackpool for a sizeable fee. In Green's first or second match for Newcastle, he suffered an injury which finished his career. Newcastle were able to get the transfer fee back from insurance. I wonder whether these insurances have something on pre existing conditions and also an excess. Do they also cover wages as well as transfer value? I would also be surprised if they cover the full term of his contact.
February 19, 200917 yr For Jimmy Bullard read Seth Johnson, they will do a Leeds ?17 million quid down the pan, 31 year old when he comes back Suprised if they have insurance as if I was a broker I wouldn't underwrite him with his history and age. Doubt he will have any clauses in his contract to cover this either, considering he pushed so hard for a top contract. He knew what was coming otherwise he would have waiting to see his Fulham contract out Perhaps "Mugson" knew what he was doing and WWays favourite "Sunbed" didn't
February 19, 200917 yr For Jimmy Bullard read Seth Johnson, they will do a Leeds ?17 million quid down the pan, 31 year old when he comes back Suprised if they have insurance as if I was a broker I wouldn't underwrite him with his history and age. Doubt he will have any clauses in his contract to cover this either, considering he pushed so hard for a top contract. He knew what was coming otherwise he would have waiting to see his Fulham contract out Perhaps "Mugson" knew what he was doing and WWays favourite "Sunbed" didn't I would be very surprised indeed if any transfer didn't have some form of insurance contract. I would imagine the insurance would be broken down into various bits - One bit would be as 'capital' insurance - for instance if you buy a house or are car - you pay insurance just in case your house is burnt to the ground or your car is written off - the insurance would provide funds to rebuild your house / buy a replacement car. So I would guess much of Hull's ?5 million outlay would be recouped if Bullard had to retire tomorrow. Another bit of the insurance would be 'medical' insurance - so the cost of his consultations with the knee surgeon and following surgery and cost of recuperation would be recoverable, etc. The bit about his wages for the next four years or so would also be covered. A football contract (like any other contract) is about two things - (in the instance) a player playing football, and a club paying him to play - so if Bullard's knee ended his career it would stop him from playing football which in turn would 'frustrate' him from upholding his part of the contract - and therefore there would be no need for Hull to pay his wages. So Bullard himself has probably got insurance over possible loss of income from a career ending injury, and Hull have probably got insurance against the 'loss' of his service (for a period of time - the rest of the season in this case it would seem) due to injury from playing - possibly commencing say after a month (something like paying the first ?100 excess on your car insurance for instance). Of course the insurance premiums would reflect the likelihood of injury to Bullard occurring - and I guess the 'medical' the player had prior to his transfer would play a significant part in this. It is unthinkable that a ?5 million pound capital purchase and a commitment to say a further ?10+ million revenue charge over the next four years would not automatically be insured. But then again it was unthinkable 6 months ago that the banking system would all but collapse........ I would also imagine that Bullard's wages (contract) would be dependant on Hull staying up / the division he is playing in with Hull next season and possibly (probably) a basic salary plus enhanced payments based on appearances, etc. Edited February 19, 200917 yr by Sluffy
February 19, 200917 yr You wouldn't have thought a Premiership team would sign a player on 50k a week, for ?5mil, with a history of knee problems, when his medical showed signs of another knee injury. But there you go.... Clearly Hull and Brown got excited at the idea of making some kind of statement, and rushed the whole thing through before he had chance to change his mind. Who knows what chances they took and corners they've cut. Even Brown as admitted that Duffen and his investors are shitting themselves, forgetting about his insurance, he was the man they signed to keep them up. Funny though. Maybe it'll stop Browny's head from drifting up his arse, as it has been this season. Edited February 19, 200917 yr by Tombwfc
February 19, 200917 yr I would be very surprised indeed if any transfer didn't have some form of insurance contract. I would imagine the insurance would be broken down into various bits - One bit would be as 'capital' insurance - for instance if you buy a house or are car - you pay insurance just in case your house is burnt to the ground or your car is written off - the insurance would provide funds to rebuild your house / buy a replacement car. So I would guess much of Hull's ?5 million outlay would be recouped if Bullard had to retire tomorrow. Another bit of the insurance would be 'medical' insurance - so the cost of his consultations with the knee surgeon and following surgery and cost of recuperation would be recoverable, etc. The bit about his wages for the next four years or so would also be covered. A football contract (like any other contract) is about two things - (in the instance) a player playing football, and a club paying him to play - so if Bullard's knee ended his career it would stop him from playing football which in turn would 'frustrate' him from upholding his part of the contract - and therefore there would be no need for Hull to pay his wages. So Bullard himself has probably got insurance over possible loss of income from a career ending injury, and Hull have probably got insurance against the 'loss' of his service (for a period of time - the rest of the season in this case it would seem) due to injury from playing - possibly commencing say after a month (something like paying the first ?100 excess on your car insurance for instance). Of course the insurance premiums would reflect the likelihood of injury to Bullard occurring - and I guess the 'medical' the player had prior to his transfer would play a significant part in this. It is unthinkable that a ?5 million pound capital purchase and a commitment to say a further ?10+ million revenue charge over the next four years would not automatically be insured. But then again it was unthinkable 6 months ago that the banking system would all but collapse........ I would also imagine that Bullard's wages (contract) would be dependant on Hull staying up / the division he is playing in with Hull next season and possibly (probably) a basic salary plus enhanced payments based on appearances, etc. He wouldn't get fully comp with them knees
February 19, 200917 yr You wouldn't have thought a Premiership team would sign a player on 50k a week, for ?5mil, with a history of knee problems, when his medical showed signs of another knee injury. But there you go.... Clearly Hull and Brown got excited at the idea of making some kind of statement, and rushed the whole thing through before he had chance to change his mind. Who knows what chances they took and corners they've cut. Even Brown as admitted that Duffen and his investors are shitting themselves, forgetting about his insurance, he was the man they signed to keep them up. Funny though. Maybe it'll stop Browny's head from drifting up his arse, as it has been this season. Are those the facts though? Yes Bullard had a bad knee injury whilst at Fulham but his record before that - over 200 games for Peterborough and Wigan from 2001 to 2006 does not suggest any prior fitness problems. He was out from September 2006 to January 2008 but as far as I can tell he played in every match since then until his injury on his debut at Hull. There is no question what-so-ever that his knees would have been closely examined on his medical prior to joining Hull. Anything found at the medical would then have a direct bearing as to how his contract would be designed (pay as you play perhaps) and certainly at his insurance coverage - if he failed his medical he would simply not be insured and no club (Hull included) would be daft enough to invest ?5 million on a crocked player - who they could not get their money back on if he broke down (which he did on his debut). I think the truth is simply Hull felt they needed Bullard more than any other suitor such as Bolton - and was prepared to pay big on a player who was probably already at the height of his career. Other clubs simply did not believe he was worth as much as Bullard wanted in wages and for the length he wanted them for. Hull took a chance - if he stayed fit and kept them up I'm sure Hull would have thought the risk was justified.
February 19, 200917 yr Papers today saying that the medical found he had a 'slight meniscus tear'. Being as there wasn't 24 hours between the bid being accepted and him signing, i think it's fair to say they didn't take as much time as they could've done. Like I said, it seems they got a little giddy at trying to make a statement by snapping up an England international, and so ended up taking all kinds of chances on the bloke.
February 19, 200917 yr Papers today saying that the medical found he had a 'slight meniscus tear'. Being as there wasn't 24 hours between the bid being accepted and him signing, i think it's fair to say they didn't take as much time as they could've done. Like I said, it seems they got a little giddy at trying to make a statement by snapping up an England international, and so ended up taking all kinds of chances on the bloke. Jimmy Bullard is not an England international (although he has been named in an England squad). As for a medical on a knee - as a non-medical person myself - how long should the medical professionals taken? Assuming you are not qualified to answer that question - then I suggest what I have already written is probably a more fairer reflection of what happened than your suggestion that they decided to spunk some ?15+ million on a one legged crock who they would not have been able to insure - just because they got a little 'giddy'! Anything found at the medical would then have a direct bearing as to how his contract would be designed (pay as you play perhaps) and certainly at his insurance coverage... Edited February 19, 200917 yr by Sluffy
February 20, 200917 yr Perhaps "Mugson" knew what he was doing and WWays favourite "Sunbed" didn't I'm not knocking him or anything, but Megson did appear to want to buy him, just not for ?5M whether he bid ?1M or ?4.5M, if the bid had been accepted, we'd have gone for him if Megson knew what he was doing in light of this, would he have even enquired? it's bad luck, just glad it wasn't us who bought him
February 20, 200917 yr I'm not knocking him or anything, but Megson did appear to want to buy him, just not for ?5M whether he bid ?1M or ?4.5M, if the bid had been accepted, we'd have gone for him if Megson knew what he was doing in light of this, would he have even enquired? it's bad luck, just glad it wasn't us who bought him More likely he thought Bullard was 'worth a punt' at ?2m (no idea what we really bid) but a risk not worth taking for the ?5m that Flum wanted.
February 20, 200917 yr More likely he thought Bullard was 'worth a punt' at ?2m (no idea what we really bid) but a risk not worth taking for the ?5m that Flum wanted. I disagree it's all about the medical anyway and that comes after bid and personal terms have been agreed we'll never know whether or not we'd have taken him on with the results of the medical
February 20, 200917 yr No they won't. They will have Bullard insured against injury ending his career. Way back Newcastle Utd signed Tony Green from Blackpool for a sizeable fee. In Green's first or second match for Newcastle, he suffered an injury which finished his career. Newcastle were able to get the transfer fee back from insurance. Would appear that they don't have insurance to cover the costs Visit My Website
February 20, 200917 yr As was suggested: Arthur Mullard would have been a better investment! Or Traffic Bollard.
February 20, 200917 yr As well as the club record ?5m fee agreed with Fulham to secure his signature, it is thought Bullard is paid about ?40,000 a week.That could see him earn ?9m in wages over the four-and-a-half years of his deal. When asked by the Mail, chairman Paul Duffen said City have no insurance to cover the cost of Bullard's injury. Whoops
February 20, 200917 yr Jimmy Bullard is not an England international (although he has been named in an England squad). As for a medical on a knee - as a non-medical person myself - how long should the medical professionals taken? Assuming you are not qualified to answer that question - then I suggest what I have already written is probably a more fairer reflection of what happened than your suggestion that they decided to spunk some ?15+ million on a one legged crock who they would not have been able to insure - just because they got a little 'giddy'! http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/n...il/article.html You reckon? The way you've said might be the right way, but a fairer reflection of actual events? Doesn't look like it. Edited February 20, 200917 yr by Tombwfc
February 20, 200917 yr whoever decided insurance was not required deserves sacking. Hull fan tells me that as the medical revealed a tear to his cartilage they can't get insurance on an injured player
February 20, 200917 yr Hull fan tells me that as the medical revealed a tear to his cartilage they can't get insurance on an injured player Ouch... Who's to blame though, the Hull board, medical team or Brown? Or all of them in some way?
February 20, 200917 yr Ouch... Who's to blame though, the Hull board, medical team or Brown? Or all of them in some way? the board / brown the medical team appear to have done their job
February 20, 200917 yr the board / brown the medical team appear to have done their job Maybe not Medical Team : Hes got a small rip in the cartilage Brown : should that be a problem Medical team : No, should not be an issue Brown : ok lets sign the paper work
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Is he on crack?