MickyD Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 We are staying up We are staying up ! For a start there are only going to be two relegation places to fill because highflying currently mid-table QPR will fill the other imo Another four points from the next two games is easily achievable. Then there will be a complete change in attitude from the players and fans, a belief . We played well against Villa who are better opposition than what we have got coming up. Onwards and Upwards Come On You Whites zoz x A +1 just for the positivity. Nice to see. I thought I was on my own in this pit of hopelessness. We are currently three points worse off than we thought we'd be having seen the fixtures due to a rogue result against Norwich. That half the league are catchable within 2 games says more about their results against lower-average teams than ours against top 5 teams.
Ratwhite Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 A +1 just for the positivity. Nice to see. I thought I was on my own in this pit of hopelessness. We are currently three points worse off than we thought we'd be having seen the fixtures due to a rogue result against Norwich. That half the league are catchable within 2 games says more about their results against lower-average teams than ours against top 5 teams. Good call, 3pts is all many expected at this point in time. Onwards and upwards
Didledee Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 We didn't expect these pathetic performances though, that's the issue.
Guest Frandsen08 Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Wigan Away - W Sunderland Home - D Swansea Away - D Stoke Home - L WBA Away - D Everton Home - W
Theboybell Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Wigan-W Sunderland-W Swansea-L Stoke-D WBA-D Everton-W Even tho I'm saying nowt!
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 We didn't expect these pathetic performances though, that's the issue. Would you rather have pathetic performances against teams we can't beat and good performances against teams we can or good performances against teams we can't beat and pathetic performances against teams we can? I know everyone would like good performances all the time, but sometimes that's not possible and I think it's obvious that Coyle's team is quite heavily driven by confidence and morale. Once we get a stuffy win under our belts, the confidence will return and we'll see more of the sort of play from the second half at QPR and the first half against Arsenal. We've shown it in patches in every game (except for the Man U and Liverpool games) so I'm confident that we can do it. And Diddles, what happened to you sir? You used to be so happy, and honestly quite annoyingly so. Now you've swung the other way. Surely fish-head not playing can't have upset you THAT much?
jules_darby Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Snoopy, you've failed into the classic naive trap of assuming that we'll play well against the poorer teams and the bad performances are out of the way The truth is we'd actually be more likely to perform well against the poorer teams had we been more cohesive and shown more backbone and be going into those games with more confidence that you don't get when you roll over and get spanked
Didledee Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) Would you rather have pathetic performances against teams we can't beat and good performances against teams we can or good performances against teams we can't beat and pathetic performances against teams we can? I'd just like to see performances that show effort and belief, a lot of teams will get nothing against the teams we've played, there's no shame in losing to the likes of Chelsea, United and Liverpool, but our performances have been awful, we've made it so easy, it's untrue. We've lost to these teams in the past, many times under Sam but I can't remember this obvious lack of any kind of performance, they don't give out any optimism going into games that are deemed 'easier'. I know everyone would like good performances all the time, but sometimes that's not possible and I think it's obvious that Coyle's team is quite heavily driven by confidence and morale. Once we get a stuffy win under our belts, the confidence will return and we'll see more of the sort of play from the second half at QPR and the first half against Arsenal. We've shown it in patches in every game (except for the Man U and Liverpool games) so I'm confident that we can do it. I disagree, losing 5-0 to Stoke in a Semi Final has got to go down as one of the worst games Bolton have played in, the confidence would have been shot to an all time low, BUT next we then play Arsenal at the Reebok and Cohen get's us a last minute winner, what a perfect way to bounce back .. well you would have liked to have thought so! Then went on to lose 5 in a row, beat QPR 4-0, then lose 6 in a row, conceding goals for fun, making mistakes for fun, being shit for fun. This team isn't good enough to get consistent results even when confidence is high imo or if the crowd is in high voice and giving a lot of support, because we aren't that good, we've lost so much, we are far weaker than last season. And Diddles, what happened to you sir? You used to be so happy, and honestly quite annoyingly so. Now you've swung the other way. Surely fish-head not playing can't have upset you THAT much? Oh it did, but it isn't that alone. I was very positive last season when things we're going well, we were playing some amazing football, some of the goals we scored we're Barcelona esque team goals, but since Decemeber 2010, Bolton have gone from brilliant to alright to piss poor. In the 2nd half of the season, the beautiful game started to fade, the highlights was Sturridge's goals and our Cup run, but all this was ruined by the Wembley defeat and the losses at the end of the season, the players just gave in, top half of the table all last season, but threw it all away and finished 14th. Without Sturridge's goals, we could have easily been relegated, we don't have him anymore, but he's not the only one we don't have anymore. No Elmander - big part of the great 1st half of the season, goals and assists lost No Holden - We have been shite without him, our player of the season, our midfield is so average without his presence in there. No Lee - Lost our most creative player, lost the many chances he creates, the assists, the entertainment and flair. Then I look at the team we have atm. Petrov is the only one who's creating stuff. K.Davies and Jussi, both long time great servants, now both average, if since the 2nd half of the season was their first season for Bolton, they'd be deemed as massive flops. No creativity in Muamba and Reo Coker, where's the playmaker?, M.Davies is miles better with the ball than them two, but inconsistency and not given much game time means we don't see much of this, only in bits and pieces. Klasnic is very slow but can score goals, with him and K.Davies we have one of the slowest front lines ever. N'Gog is a good signing, but I don't think he'll score many goals, Tuncay isn't being used, Eagles is like M.Davies in consistency, has produced a few times, but not a patch on Lee, I'd play M.Davies wide right. and then our defence, take away Cahill can it be anyworse? Knight is horrific, Robinson has been poor since Wembley and Steinsson is a massive liability who loses positional discipline far too often. AND most of all, the performances are worse than what we saw under Megson! and the football is just as bad, losing Holden and Lee as hurt us massively in terms of our passing game, I was pissed off for almost the duration of Megson's reign at Bolton, it was way better with Coyle, but that's gone now, we lost a lot of 2-0 leads under Megson, hardly played any decent football[ we did at times, like the 2nd goal against Spurs, 2-2 draw at the Reebok] and our opposition had what seemed like 60%-70% possession each game... ... but I can't remember these useless performances, the distinct lack of effort, the way we crumble, the way we just back off a team and let them come at us and get by us and score, there were games under Megson were we would go 2 or 3 up in the first half, now when we concede, it's inevitable that a few more are coming. We don't have the players imo that are capable of saying we should be beating these 'easier' teams, the confidence is gone, our luck has been truly awful and I genuinely look at Bolton from an unbiased point of view and I'm worried. I'd have Coyle as manager over a Megson type any-day, but when results, performances and the poor football is just as bad, it's no wonder I'm currently negative when thinking of Bolton. We're playing catch up, we have a poor team imo, a far weaker one than last season who would have gone down without Sturrdige, Elmander, Lee and Holden, that's so much to have lost and what have we gained? I fear for Bolton, if we go down, it's could be curtains for the club. Value for money is null atm Edited October 8, 2011 by Didledee
marple whites Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 And add to that, we don't play particularly well against poor teams anyway !!
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