Guest JamesBond Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) I didn't say it was, what I'm saying is even when fit they have both been below their best for some time & I'm sure it's a confidence issue due to their respective problems. I would expect Dougie to get them firing again if they can stay fit as he did with Davies last season to be fair...he seemed to have got his hunger back towards the end of the season. Could I throw a spanner in the works? I think it is down to the manager that Chungy and Davies haven't been fit. When we say fit - I mean athletically fit. Not the fitness that the ginger wonder (Megson) and Coyle would have as fitness, i.e. run about. If Allardyce had been manager over the last three seasons, and the way he was with sports science (as opposed to coyle and Megson who weren't into sports science) do you not think that Davies would have been a much better player? As with Chungy, yes rehab takes a long time, but, how much would sports science (as it was under Allardyce) have improved the situation? Thankfully Dougie is doing something about Davies this year, so hopefully we may finally get to see him at his best. If we get good offers for the players concerned then of course we should sell. Remember though, we should be making profits on players and we bought chungy for £2.2 million. It's not the selling of players that I don't like it's underselling players. I believe from what MarcIles has said in the paper that the club are near the maximum 'debt' allowed for Financial Fair Play, i.e. £7 million. The Juke would take us to More than £8 million, so someone has to go. Andrews not agreeing the compensation package isn't helping. Obviously if we can get him, Sordell and Davies of the books we might be alright. Edited June 19, 2014 by JamesBond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted June 19, 2014 Author Moderators Share Posted June 19, 2014 Are you seriously taking Iles's word for something? Lolz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superkev Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Could I throw a spanner in the works? I think it is down to the manager that Chungy and Davies haven't been fit. When we say fit - I mean athletically fit. Not the fitness that the ginger wonder (Megson) and Coyle would have as fitness, i.e. run about. If Allardyce had been manager over the last three seasons, and the way he was with sports science (as opposed to coyle and Megson who weren't into sports science) do you not think that Davies would have been a much better player? As with Chungy, yes rehab takes a long time, but, how much would sports science (as it was under Allardyce) have improved the situation? Thankfully Dougie is doing something about Davies this year, so hopefully we may finally get to see him at his best. If we get good offers for the players concerned then of course we should sell. Remember though, we should be making profits on players and we bought chungy for £2.2 million. It's not the selling of players that I don't like it's underselling players. I believe from what MarcIles has said in the paper that the club are near the maximum 'debt' allowed for Financial Fair Play, i.e. £7 million. The Juke would take us to More than £8 million, so someone has to go. Andrews not agreeing the compensation package isn't helping. Obviously if we can get him, Sordell and Davies of the books we might be alright. Maybe Eddie Davies could sponsor the bogs for 1 million then we would be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Could I throw a spanner in the works? I think it is down to the manager that Chungy and Davies haven't been fit. When we say fit - I mean athletically fit. Not the fitness that the ginger wonder (Megson) and Coyle would have as fitness, i.e. run about. If Allardyce had been manager over the last three seasons, and the way he was with sports science (as opposed to coyle and Megson who weren't into sports science) do you not think that Davies would have been a much better player? As with Chungy, yes rehab takes a long time, but, how much would sports science (as it was under Allardyce) have improved the situation? Thankfully Dougie is doing something about Davies this year, so hopefully we may finally get to see him at his best. If we get good offers for the players concerned then of course we should sell. Remember though, we should be making profits on players and we bought chungy for £2.2 million. It's not the selling of players that I don't like it's underselling players. I believe from what MarcIles has said in the paper that the club are near the maximum 'debt' allowed for Financial Fair Play, i.e. £7 million. The Juke would take us to More than £8 million, so someone has to go. Andrews not agreeing the compensation package isn't helping. Obviously if we can get him, Sordell and Davies of the books we might be alright. Aye, it's all Coyle and Megson's fault. Bore off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Could I throw a spanner in the works? I think it is down to the manager that Chungy and Davies haven't been fit. When we say fit - I mean athletically fit. Not the fitness that the ginger wonder (Megson) and Coyle would have as fitness, i.e. run about. If Allardyce had been manager over the last three seasons, and the way he was with sports science (as opposed to coyle and Megson who weren't into sports science) do you not think that Davies would have been a much better player? As with Chungy, yes rehab takes a long time, but, how much would sports science (as it was under Allardyce) have improved the situation? Thankfully Dougie is doing something about Davies this year, so hopefully we may finally get to see him at his best. If we get good offers for the players concerned then of course we should sell. Remember though, we should be making profits on players and we bought chungy for £2.2 million. It's not the selling of players that I don't like it's underselling players. I believe from what MarcIles has said in the paper that the club are near the maximum 'debt' allowed for Financial Fair Play, i.e. £7 million. The Juke would take us to More than £8 million, so someone has to go. Andrews not agreeing the compensation package isn't helping. Obviously if we can get him, Sordell and Davies of the books we might be alright. Really ? In an ideal world, yes. In the real world, I would guess that only around 15-20% of all players purchased around the league are later sold at a profit. We can only sell for a price that someone is prepared to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 We should force other clubs to pay more. I blame Gartside's poor negotiation skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Could I throw a spanner in the works? I think it is down to the manager that Chungy and Davies haven't been fit. When we say fit - I mean athletically fit. Not the fitness that the ginger wonder (Megson) and Coyle would have as fitness, i.e. run about. If Allardyce had been manager over the last three seasons, and the way he was with sports science (as opposed to coyle and Megson who weren't into sports science) do you not think that Davies would have been a much better player? As with Chungy, yes rehab takes a long time, but, how much would sports science (as it was under Allardyce) have improved the situation? Thankfully Dougie is doing something about Davies this year, so hopefully we may finally get to see him at his best. If we get good offers for the players concerned then of course we should sell. Remember though, we should be making profits on players and we bought chungy for £2.2 million. It's not the selling of players that I don't like it's underselling players. I believe from what MarcIles has said in the paper that the club are near the maximum 'debt' allowed for Financial Fair Play, i.e. £7 million. The Juke would take us to More than £8 million, so someone has to go. Andrews not agreeing the compensation package isn't helping. Obviously if we can get him, Sordell and Davies of the books we might be alright. We won't need to get more than we paid for Chungy to make a profit in accounting and FFP terms. We basically wrote the accounting value of our whole squad down to next to nothing in the last financial year. This means that for the purpose of the accounts Chungy's current value is fuck all and therefore any money we do get for him is likely to be 'profit'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) We won't need to get more than we paid for Chungy to make a profit in accounting and FFP terms. We basically wrote the accounting value of our whole squad down to next to nothing in the last financial year. This means that for the purpose of the accounts Chungy's current value is fuck all and therefore any money we do get for him is likely to be 'profit'. The writing down of players values was a great move by BWFC and flies in the face of many fans current opinion that PG and Eddie know nothing. Think I know who knows best for our club. Edited June 19, 2014 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted June 19, 2014 Author Moderators Share Posted June 19, 2014 That's normal business isn't it? Assets depreciating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 It is, but we took a bigger hit than usual last year I think with the FFP in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Ratwhite Posted June 20, 2014 Site Supporter Share Posted June 20, 2014 Derby bid for Juke. Nixon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted June 20, 2014 Moderators Share Posted June 20, 2014 Chungy in last year of his contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blixa Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Could I throw a spanner in the works? I think it is down to the manager that Chungy and Davies haven't been fit. When we say fit - I mean athletically fit. Not the fitness that the ginger wonder (Megson) and Coyle would have as fitness, i.e. run about. If Allardyce had been manager over the last three seasons, and the way he was with sports science (as opposed to coyle and Megson who weren't into sports science) do you not think that Davies would have been a much better player? As with Chungy, yes rehab takes a long time, but, how much would sports science (as it was under Allardyce) have improved the situation? Thankfully Dougie is doing something about Davies this year, so hopefully we may finally get to see him at his best. If we get good offers for the players concerned then of course we should sell. Remember though, we should be making profits on players and we bought chungy for £2.2 million. It's not the selling of players that I don't like it's underselling players. I believe from what MarcIles has said in the paper that the club are near the maximum 'debt' allowed for Financial Fair Play, i.e. £7 million. The Juke would take us to More than £8 million, so someone has to go. Andrews not agreeing the compensation package isn't helping. Obviously if we can get him, Sordell and Davies of the books we might be alright. Davies had injury problems long before he came to us. Weve done well getting this many games out of him. As for Chungy, his confidence has been shot since the leg break. If we get a decent bid for either we should get the deals done sharpish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallywell Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Wigan going to join the chase for juke now ,fuckin great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted June 20, 2014 Site Supporter Share Posted June 20, 2014 We only got £6million for Cahill you know A fact that seems to have slipped under the radar of everyone on here. Gartside couldn't negotiate his way to a Big mac meal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blixa Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) After watching him last night, i think they were generous. How much did Villa sting us for then? Anyway, boo to the club, chairman, owner and anyone from Bolton who doesn't throw all their spare money at the club. You are all a shower of bastards and to blame if the Juke doesn't come. In addition, boo to Boro for not waiting for us to come in with a lower offer and boo to the Juke if he opts for financial security for himself and his family instead of waiting for our potential contract offer. Edited June 20, 2014 by Blixa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 20, 2014 Moderators Share Posted June 20, 2014 i'd be very surprised if he chose any second division club over us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 i'd be very surprised if he chose any second division club over us He'll come to Bolton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rembrandt Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 After watching him last night, i think they were generous. How much did Villa sting us for then? Anyway, boo to the club, chairman, owner and anyone from Bolton who doesn't throw all their spare money at the club. You are all a shower of bastards and to blame if the Juke doesn't come. In addition, boo to Boro for not waiting for us to come in with a lower offer and boo to the Juke if he opts for financial security for himself and his family instead of waiting for our potential contract offer. Isn't that what a lot of us fans do, Blixa ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUMiXAM Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Sordell close to burnley move - 750k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Sordell close to burnley move - 750k so Marvin hates the north west and hes off to Burnley, fuck me he's in for a shock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 20, 2014 Moderators Share Posted June 20, 2014 did he play for dyche at watford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blixa Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Isn't that what a lot of us fans do, Blixa ? If all of Bolton throw their money at the club, someone is massaging those attendance figures and books. Boo the accountants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex_midlandwhite Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 did he play for dyche at watford? Pretty sure he did. In fact maybe Dyche that sold him. He probably came through their academy under Dyche too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUMiXAM Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 so Marvin hates the north west and hes off to Burnley, fuck me he's in for a shock No better place to sell yourself than in the prem. He'll be hoping he can bag a few and someone like west ham will bid in January, the soft southern boggled eyed twat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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