Guest Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 I am still waiting for a reply to why 30 million pounds given to the EU is `an absolute bargain`. I am in an open mind, and am genuinely wanting to know why this is a baragain. So it can be show that the UK makes far more than 30 million pounds a day out of the Europe deal that we didnt already get before joining? You'll be waiting a long time as it isn't true. Quote
stevieb Posted May 5, 2015 Author Posted May 5, 2015 Is it local elections on the same day? Just had a lib dem tactical vote flyer through. Pretty much don't vote tory as it's a two horse race for Horwich between labour and lib dem. Quote
Guest Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 I can't find anything relevant in that article. I'm not saying Labour didn't overspend, but the Coalition has borrowed even more, and all during 5 years of austerity! I agree, nearly I fully expect that Labour would have spent more that the Coalition have; it's in their DNA. The last 5 years weren't "austerity", despite what the parties of the left screech Quote
no balls Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 I can't find anything relevant in that article. I'm not saying Labour didn't overspend, but the Coalition has borrowed even more, and all during 5 years of austerity! They say Labour aren't explaining where the money will come from therefore if they don't know, can Labour be trusted.Odds on they'll spend more if they aren't prepared to put bones on it. Quote
Redmond Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 They say Labour aren't explaining where the money will come from therefore if they don't know, can Labour be trusted.Odds on they'll spend more if they aren't prepared to put bones on it. But they also say the Conservatives aren't explaining where the money will come from. As usual, it's the same old shit from both sides really. Quote
Redmond Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 I agree, nearly I fully expect that Labour would have spent more that the Coalition have; it's in their DNA. The last 5 years weren't "austerity", despite what the parties of the left screech Of course the last 5 years have been of austerity. This government has been more than open about that. I'm not sure what you mean. Quote
overseas Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 You'll be waiting a long time as it isn't true. This is as I thought Quote
Spider Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Truth is, people will always vote in a tribal way. "My Dad voted labour so I should" etc. It becomes akin to supporting a football team, folk just stick with it. The more you try and change people's minds - even with facts - the more they are likely to dig their heels in. Labour voters are still busy blaming thatcher over the coal pits, even though that was 30 years ago. Quote
overseas Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Absolute bargain considering what we get out of it. Im still waiting for you to say what it is that the UK gets out of the EU that gives us more profit than the 30 million pounds that the UK puts in a day, and that we didnt already get out of it anyway. Quote
no balls Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Truth is, people will always vote in a tribal way. "My Dad voted labour so I should" etc. It becomes akin to supporting a football team, folk just stick with it. The more you try and change people's minds - even with facts - the more they are likely to dig their heels in. Labour voters are still busy blaming thatcher over the coal pits, even though that was 30 years ago. I genuinely don't know how my father voted he always kept that to himself and I respected that. Then again, he supported RMI and was disappointed when I asked to go to Burnden park Quote
Redmond Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Im still waiting for you to say what it is that the UK gets out of the EU that gives us more profit than the 30 million pounds that the UK puts in a day, and that we didnt already get out of it anyway. Massive trade benefits, freedom of travel, freedom to emigrate within the EU, sharing of technology and scientific advances, sharing of energy resources, but most importantly of all, long-term peace in Europe. The EU should be something to be proud of. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's far better than the alternative. Surely we should be looking to be part of a united planet, not ostracising ourselves from it. What don't you like about us being a member of the EU? Quote
gonzo Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Im still waiting for you to say what it is that the UK gets out of the EU that gives us more profit than the 30 million pounds that the UK puts in a day, and that we didnt already get out of it anyway. If it was all so shite why would any sane government keep us in there? Quote
Redmond Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 If it was all so shite why would any sane government keep us in there? Good point. The only party who are determined to get us out are UKIP, and their arguments are all based on immigration, which we actually profit from... Quote
overseas Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Massive trade benefits, freedom of travel, freedom to emigrate within the EU, sharing of technology and scientific advances, sharing of energy resources, but most importantly of all, long-term peace in Europe. The EU should be something to be proud of. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's far better than the alternative. Surely we should be looking to be part of a united planet, not ostracising ourselves from it. What don't you like about us being a member of the EU? I asked what it is that was paid the UK more than the 30 million pounds per day that it puts in.This doesnt answer that. Also I said `that we didnt already have before we joined the EU`. This `freedom of travel` is something we certainly dont want. `sharing of energy resources`? what? you are saying energy such as gas or electric is shared? nothing is free. My point as before is, what is it that gives the UK more monetary returns ( profit ) per day than the 30 million pounds that is taken from the UK? Quote
Danny G Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 I can't find anything relevant in that article. I'm not saying Labour didn't overspend, but the Coalition has borrowed even more, and all during 5 years of austerity! That's because they were left with a 200 billion a year deficit, they had to borrow and reduce gradually Quote
Redmond Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 I asked what it is that was paid the UK more than the 30 million pounds per day that it puts in.This doesnt answer that. Also I said `that we didnt already have before we joined the EU`. This `freedom of travel` is something we certainly dont want. `sharing of energy resources`? what? you are saying energy such as gas or electric is shared? nothing is free. My point as before is, what is it that gives the UK more monetary returns ( profit ) per day than the 30 million pounds that is taken from the UK? EU competition rules on energy prices ensure we don't get fucked for the gas and coal we import. Of course it's not free, but it's cheaper than trading outside of those agreements. In terms of monetary return, the EU isn't a financial investment. Why would you expect to get more out than you put in? How much do we get back from our own parliament, which we spend billions on to run the country? Don't get me wrong, there is massive room for improvement regarding the EU, but abandoning it would be short-sighted, and frankly stupid. Quote
Redmond Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 That's because they were left with a 200 billion a year deficit, they had to borrow and reduce gradually How have they reduced it? Quote
Guest Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Both. Welfare changes Reduction in the size of the armed forces Something of a freeze in public sector salaries Changes in police forces Changes in scope of local authorities etc The annual deficit is down from 171bn to 88bn. Quote
overseas Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 EU competition rules on energy prices ensure we don't get fucked for the gas and coal we import. Of course it's not free, but it's cheaper than trading outside of those agreements. In terms of monetary return, the EU isn't a financial investment. Why would you expect to get more out than you put in? How much do we get back from our own parliament, which we spend billions on to run the country? Don't get me wrong, there is massive room for improvement regarding the EU, but abandoning it would be short-sighted, and frankly stupid. I am ignorant on the EU ins and outs. What you post here is interesting reading. however 30 million pounds given away a day is not good business at all as far as I can see. We are on a loss of 30 million per day every day, that is not good, and I dont care what they say. On the point of it making a peaceful Europe, I think it is on the contrary and will lead to a war. Look at Greece and Germany. Also I believe, and I dont know if this is true as I am ignorant of it, but I read that there are countries now in the EU that havent paid anything into a pension scheme ever and whom now have their citizens drawing a pension, and if that is so it is an outrage. If as you say the EU isnt a financial investment ( 30 million pound loss per day ) there is no reason whatsoever to be involved in it, and I would get out right away. All these bills are put onto the working man. Quote
overseas Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 If it was all so shite why would any sane government keep us in there? I believe that Tony Blair got us into it and were signed up, I may be wrong. We are being fleeced, and we told them so before they did it. Quote
Redmond Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 We are not being fleeced. We are lucky as fuck to live in a country that is a a member of the EU. Quote
tyldesley_white Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) I believe that Tony Blair got us into it and were signed up, I may be wrong. We are being fleeced, and we told them so before they did it. Sorry you can blame a lot on Tony Blair but this one is not his not by a long way Edited May 5, 2015 by tyldesley_white Quote
Guest Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 I believe that Tony Blair got us into it and were signed up, I may be wrong. We are being fleeced, and we told them so before they did it. You are wrong; it was Edward Heath We were conned and continue to be so Quote
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