What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

Edited March 6, 20215 yr by Casino

7 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

It’s their job to attack the government. I don’t have a problem with that. It’s also their job to offer an alternative. When will they do that?

Come election time. As all previous opposition parties have.

2 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Come election time. As all previous opposition parties have.

Yep. That’s all that matters. Election time.

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Yep. That’s all that matters. Election time.

You think they should release a manifesto 2 years before a General Election?

Meanwhile....

 

 

Just now, mickbrown said:

Meanwhile....

 

 

Hahaha

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You think they should release a manifesto 2 years before a General Election?

No. They don’t have to. They will eventually though which is why I said it’s too soon to talk about them as a credible alternative. 

31 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

It’s their job to attack the government. I don’t have a problem with that. It’s also their job to offer an alternative. When will they do that?

 

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

They don’t have to. They will eventually though which is why I said it’s too soon to talk about them as a credible alternative. 

You've answered your own question then.

8 minutes ago, Cheese said:

 

You've answered your own question then.

Yep. Look forward to the next election.👍

11 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Come the next election, Johnson will be long forgotten. It won’t be about Starmer or whoever. It’ll be about the policies of each party. So far, Labours only policy has been to attack the government. It hasn’t been difficult. Eventually, they will have to show the electorate that they are capable of governing. They haven’t Shown that yet. 

Windfall tax was labours idea, VAT on fuel, free school meals, they have loads of ideas to help people during the cost of living crisis.
 

We are in a brexit mess of the Tories making and labour would also be capable of negotiating with the EU more openly. What would not be helpful is another Tory leader trotting out the same ERG lines which I’m convinced Truss and Sunak would do.

18 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Windfall tax was labours idea, VAT on fuel, free school meals, they have loads of ideas to help people during the cost of living crisis.
 

We are in a brexit mess of the Tories making and labour would also be capable of negotiating with the EU more openly. What would not be helpful is another Tory leader trotting out the same ERG lines which I’m convinced Truss and Sunak would do.

There in lies the problem, the solution is always to give out more money to folk and tax the middle class more, the voting public aren’t fools and won’t vote for that, however I do like Starmers pledge to cost everything and publish it in his manifesto, if his plan looks workable then that’s the key for Labour to get back in power. Sadly Labour can’t be trusted on Brexit so that’s a major vote loser for them. 

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11 hours ago, tomski said:

Society has changed hugely. On here is a good example. Social media to blame.

There have always been rows on here but I can’t remember a time when childish name calling wins the day with calling someone gammon or snowflake. There have been far greater insults than this lightweight shite. I was Hitler for a while. Bothered? Nah.

I genuinely blame the tories who in my opinion have done what they do best and that is divide and conquer. They’ve played us all and to be fair as a public sadly we’ve lapped it up. What twaddle. Blame the left. Always the safest policy. 'Scum'? Does that ring a bell?

Moving away from the leadership election for a moment (no, I will leave it alone now until the result is known. They are all ganging up on PM for a reason. If they could, Labour would be chipping in with the muck spreading if they could). Back when the final result is known.

Now then, Sleepy Joe. After the Khashoggi murder, "I will make Saudi Arabia a pariah".

What a fucking hypocrite. No surprise with left leaning politics. Most are multimillionaires but the plebs keep directing their union fees towards them.

Edited July 17, 20223 yr by bolty58

15 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The solution is always to give out more money to folk and tax the middle class more

To be fair that is what the Tories have been doing. I guess we need to define the middle classes as well, if anything Labour seem to be targeting the £80k+ a year bracket and multi nationals.

24 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

There in lies the problem, the solution is always to give out more money to folk and tax the middle class more, the voting public aren’t fools and won’t vote for that, however I do like Starmers pledge to cost everything and publish it in his manifesto, if his plan looks workable then that’s the key for Labour to get back in power. Sadly Labour can’t be trusted on Brexit so that’s a major vote loser for them. 

Re. Your last point. The Tories completely conceived and delivered this brexit and it has been a disaster.  So it is disingenuous to say Labour can’t be trusted. Something has to change and the EU do not trust the Tories at all. To move this thing forward a fresh outlook is required and you will not get that from Truss and Sunak.  PM I suspect would be similar although not tainted by association with bozos cabinet.

8 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Re. Your last point. The Tories completely conceived and delivered this brexit and it has been a disaster.  So it is disingenuous to say Labour can’t be trusted. Something has to change and the EU do not trust the Tories at all. To move this thing forward a fresh outlook is required and you will not get that from Truss and Sunak.  PM I suspect would be similar although not tainted by association with bozos cabinet.

The public don’t trust Labour to be tough on the EU, Brexit is all but done except the NI issue, to say that Brexit has been disastrous is disingenuous, only outstanding issue is NI and EU using it as a tool to punish UK for leaving and are applying punitive and unnecessarily stringent measures on imports to NI. 

Edited July 17, 20223 yr by Mounts Kipper

If I was Prime Minister (and let’s fucking face it, I should be)

Instead of giving folk a massive handout for their power bills - many of whom will immediately spend it on tattoos and baccy and chan - why not give it to the energy companies direct?

But tell them to match the amount and reduce their charges across the board as a result. That way, every penny goes towards lower bills.

Beats a windfall tax and all the mither that surrounds it, and stops loads of the money being spunked on other stuff.

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The public don’t trust Labour to be tough on the EU, Brexit is all but done except the NI issue, to say that Brexit has been disastrous is disingenuous, only outstanding issue is NI and EU using it as a tool to punish UK for leaving and are applying punitive and unnecessarily tough measures on imports to NI. 

“All but done except the NI issue”

”I’ve nearly completed this jigsaw puzzle, now I’ve opened the box and scattered the pieces on the table”

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

If I was Prime Minister (and let’s fucking face it, I should be)

Instead of giving folk a massive handout for their power bills - many of whom will immediately spend it on tattoos and baccy and chan - why not give it to the energy companies direct?

But tell them to match the amount and reduce their charges across the board as a result. That way, every penny goes towards lower bills.

Beats a windfall tax and all the mither that surrounds it, and stops loads of the money being spunked on other stuff.

Or maybe we should be like the French.

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

Or maybe we should be like the French.

Given all the strikes that are looming, we pretty much are

Edited July 17, 20223 yr by Spider

There was a statistic on the TV t'other day that the top 300 companies have increased profits by 79% over last three years and we have spiralling inflation. Unions ask for a pay rise to reflect the rate of inflation and get blamed for stoking inflation. 
 

On the Labour Party I think they need to make it clear what they stand for and what that means for normal working people. The days of the UK having the old fashioned working class have gone. Plumbers and sparkles earn as much as bank managers these days but there are hardly any bank managers as all the branches are shut down. 
Who do Labour represent ? The red wall has fallen but there is a Tory party in disarray but what are Labour doing to fill the gap ? 
I do not dislike Starmer, seems a decent bloke, but what does he actually believe in ?

I do not think Labour can afford to wait 2 years, produce a manifesto and that is it. Not a big fan of 'Brand' talk but it is relevant here, I am a potential Labour voter who follows the news but I could not detail a single Labour policy in any detail. 

 

19 minutes ago, Zico said:

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA (If if's not photoshopped - you never know)

Edited July 17, 20223 yr by Gonk

19 minutes ago, Zico said:

 

“At the third stroke….”

It's pretty easy to access policies from both parties if you want to know what parties stand for.

It clear people aren't reading them.

Moreover, the Labour policy isn't high tax, but then again, its easier to just spout things that aren't true.

I rejoined the Labour party a few months ago after many years away (stopped after the election of Ed Miliband as leader in annoyance at the Union stitch up) it has allowed me to be part of the 2022 Labour Policy Forum, which is debates, discussion and suggestions that are then taken forward by policy groups. It'll be interesting to see what comes out. Every major party is a broad church and just as One Nation Conservatives can't stand their ERG brethren, I'm not adverse at being called at Red Tory by some of the slightly more left of the party and it good that more people are coming back to challenge some of the more ardent Momentum lot who can't take over the debate if we can take this golden opportunity at getting back in power and turning this old tropes of high tax out of the narrative.

I believe Starmer - whilst not perfect - has done a good job of pulling the Labour party back from the Corybn brink, getting the structures back in place (no mean feat given the fucking shambles it had become) and now turning outwards to speak to the public, people underestimate what needed doing internally.

So, it's all out there, but there is still a job about getting people to.focus on key policies such as more power to regions, fair taxation and better localised services.

But for now l'll see the country struggle through whilst the Tories go through another family dispute.

 

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

It's pretty easy to access policies from both parties if you want to know what parties stand for.

It clear people aren't reading them.

Moreover, the Labour policy isn't high tax, but then again, its easier to just spout things that aren't true.

I rejoined the Labour party a few months ago after many years away (stopped after the election of Ed Miliband as leader in annoyance at the Union stitch up) it has allowed me to be part of the 2022 Labour Policy Forum, which is debates, discussion and suggestions that are then taken forward by policy groups. It'll be interesting to see what comes out. Every major party is a broad church and just as One Nation Conservatives can't stand their ERG brethren, I'm not adverse at being called at Red Tory by some of the slightly more left of the party and it good that more people are coming back to challenge some of the more ardent Momentum lot who can't take over the debate if we can take this golden opportunity at getting back in power and turning this old tropes of high tax out of the narrative.

I believe Starmer - whilst not perfect - has done a good job of pulling the Labour party back from the Corybn brink, getting the structures back in place (no mean feat given the fucking shambles it had become) and now turning outwards to speak to the public, people underestimate what needed doing internally.

So, it's all out there, but there is still a job about getting people to.focus on key policies such as more power to regions, fair taxation and better localised services.

But for now l'll see the country struggle through whilst the Tories go through another family dispute.

 

Most folk just read the headlines in the Mail and make their minds up there