What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

Just now, Zico said:

4 student loans, probably came to something like 6k, on low interest, took about 5 years to pay off at £100 month 

And an overdraft 

Fortunately I didn't fully grasp how credit cards worked back then, I thought you had to pay them off in full each month, otherwise I'd have acquired as many as I possibly could 

Excatly. So kids are now with fees making decisions they shouldnt have to make.

As I say, its a shit state of affairs.

11 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Did anyone on this board who went to uni come out with 60k worth of debt?

Thats the issue now, despite the simplistic protestations.

9k debt from first degree, about 15 from PGCE and 8k from masters degree. Paying about 300 a month from wages and it's slowly coming down. 

Think I'm on just shy of 20k but I didn't really make a dint till I started teaching 

BTW..  low interest?? I'm fair certain my Masters was a 7% last time I checked 

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

Excatly. So kids are now with fees making decisions they shouldnt have to make.

As I say, its a shit state of affairs.

The state of some of the student accommodation in Manchester as well

Think I paid £37 a week which basically my grant covered 

You're now looking at £200-300 in some places 

My mrs only paid off her loan 2 years ago - but it was done. Now with fees its nigh on impossible.

So, we see a pattern. Maybe those who were fortunate enough to be blessed with free higher education, who went on to be revenue generating members of society should understand why kids now are pissed off.

I'd be angry. Im angry on their behalf.

Just now, Zico said:

The state of some of the student accommodation in Manchester as well

Think I paid £37 a week which basically my grant covered 

You're now looking at £200-300 in some places 

Absolutley. There is a new 'student' accomdation in Canterbury - it looks like something from Sex and the City. Its a fortune. So even if you get to Uni on your merits, the divison now is so vast.

5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

My mrs only paid off her loan 2 years ago - but it was done. Now with fees its nigh on impossible.

So, we see a pattern. Maybe those who were fortunate enough to be blessed with free higher education, who went on to be revenue generating members of society should understand why kids now are pissed off.

I'd be angry. Im angry on their behalf.

I tell the kids at work to aim for apprenticeship.  

Unis should be on borrowed time. 

1 minute ago, only1swanny said:

I tell the kids at work to aim for apprenticeship.  

Unis should be on borrowed time. 

That is a really bad way to think of things for someone in your position.

1 minute ago, Winchester White said:

That is a really bad way to think of things for someone in your position.

Maybe, 

But atm kids are being priced out of the traditional uni route, and becoming an apprentice and getting the uni fees paid is a better option for them. 

10k a year fees is just daft 

Just now, only1swanny said:

I tell the kids at work to aim for apprenticeship.  

Unis should be on borrowed time. 

There is a point there, but I guess what Im saying is in this moment we are not giving opportunites to the brightest.

My middle daughter is doing very well and is academically very able but Im already sweating on student accomdation, where she wants to go.

That wasnt something we had to deal with, its also something the richest dont have to deal with.

There are more Eaton actors doing well than most. Why? Is it because they are any better? No, they have more opportunity - that school; and Westminster, has two professional theatre spaces.

They have the money to be poor to work at their craft. Its bollocks, and if you are from Bolton or similar towns and went to your local comp, you should be angry. The dice are loaded.

13 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

There is a point there, but I guess what Im saying is in this moment we are not giving opportunites to the brightest.

My middle daughter is doing very well and is academically very able but Im already sweating on student accomdation, where she wants to go.

That wasnt something we had to deal with, its also something the richest dont have to deal with.

There are more Eaton actors doing well than most. Why? Is it because they are any better? No, they have more opportunity - that school; and Westminster, has two professional theatre spaces.

They have the money to be poor to work at their craft. Its bollocks, and if you are from Bolton or similar towns and went to your local comp, you should be angry. The dice are loaded.

Our youngest had a successful audition for a musical .. it meant touring Asia 

 

Can't afford to take time off to chaperone him when its a huge paycut.  Only ones doing that are the ones who don't have to worry too much about money. 

Daughter wants to go to RNCM, she'll be able to stay home which should bring costs down 

10 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Its another way of populists to make the working class self sabotage.

What utter fucking nonsense. Still, it's Friday night.

The Chardonnay will still be coursing through your socialist veins.

14 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

What utter fucking nonsense. Still, it's Friday night.

The Chardonnay will still be coursing through your socialist veins.

Yup, just a bit of a pub bore.

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

My mrs only paid off her loan 2 years ago - but it was done. Now with fees its nigh on impossible.

So, we see a pattern. Maybe those who were fortunate enough to be blessed with free higher education, who went on to be revenue generating members of society should understand why kids now are pissed off.

I'd be angry. Im angry on their behalf.

The flip side of which is in the 80s only 15% of kids got the chance to go to Uni. These days it is much nearer 40%. 
 

The system is fundamentally flawed, the cost is outrageous but the numbers going through the system is totally over the top. They have scrapped Polys and renamed colleges Universities. This has not improved quality at all , in fact I would argue it has dragged standards down. When I went to Bradford with my 2bs and a C there were 4000 or so students, now there are 11000 and I can guarantee the quality has not gone up. There are a few specific courses with great reputations but the rest is a numbers game. 
 

I 100% agree that kids are pissed off that they have spent 3 years to get £50k plus in debt for a qualification that makes them slightly better than average. There is growing campaign that students loans have been massively mis sold and it is a ticking time bomb. 
 

To be dead clear I have no issues with kids going to Uni to study something that will help them with their career, or something in the arts, or something like Archeology, or a science based subject. Basically higher education is the point of Unis.
 

Thousands of kids choosing their Uni totally based on the night life and the ‘buzz’. There about 300k students combined at Newcastle, Sheffield, Manchester and Leeds.  Sending more kids through Unis just to say we have 40%  of kids going to Uni when there is no need or demand for 40% of people to have degrees is just crazy. 

 

8 hours ago, frank_spencer said:

if its all benefits it'll include Universal Credit too, a good chunk of which is paid to folk who work to top up their wages to a level the government deems livable and so you'll always be financially better off working.

Dont even know if Sir Jim is including pensioner payments which must make it more than 9 million.

He just seems to lump anyone getting a payment from central government into the same pot

The figure he's referring to is just Universal Credit

There are over thirteen million people claiming a state pension

This isn’t going going to help Reform 

 

 

31 minutes ago, royal white said:

This isn’t going going to help Reform 

 

 

10 hours ago, only1swanny said:

That's pretty much my daily dinner tbf 

Got a beltin olive sourdough yesterday

40 minutes ago, royal white said:

This isn’t going going to help Reform 

 

 

I don’t think priding yourself as anti establishment, then hiring loads of failed establishment politicians, is going to help Reform. 
 

Though having Farage might just be enough, he knows how to win.

 The way the world is at the moment, boring, centrist stagnation might be the best we can hope for, for the time being.

But our population are too fickle 

Edited February 14Feb 14 by London Wanderer

13 hours ago, royal white said:

This isn’t going going to help Reform 

 

 

Doubt that it will harm them either.

22 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Yup, just a bit of a pub bore.

"Go to Uni and get a degree in codology kids. You will then be able to move to a more affluent part of England and get a job in a ticket kiosk" 😉

5 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

"Go to Uni and get a degree in codology

Studying fish?

10 minutes ago, Traf said:

Studying fish?

A big thing in Grimsby pal.

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

"Go to Uni and get a degree in codology kids. You will then be able to move to a more affluent part of England and get a job in a ticket kiosk" 😉

Thick as fuck.