Farrelli Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Brainwashed The EU has £0 to invest; nil. It is our money, paid to them and then they choose as emperors, how/where to spend. Surely you know that. Surely? Brain-dead. We've done alright over the last forty odd years otherwise how did we get the 5th biggest econmomy. An economy brexiteers are prepared to gamble with by leaving a trading union with our biggest market. And for what? Edited October 12, 2019 by Farrelli Quote
Casino Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 Farrelli has repeatedly posted that regardless of how much we pay in, and regardless of how much comes back, more finds its way to the regions than it would if left to london to divvy it up The facts support his position Quote
Farrelli Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spider said: Our factory employs over a hundred people. the way we trade with the EU has been very beneficial and Brexit has already lost us customers. It is no longer the 60’s or the 70’s so why you’d refer to standards 50 years ago is baffling. We have the British Kite Mark for al out products and it is indeed respected globally. But you seem to think the EU hasn’t caught up. It has, and it is better in a lot of ways. The EN standards model is now recognised worldwide as a high benchmark and will be preferred in trading agreements over and above British standards. If you don’t believe me, ask any manufacturer that exports and they will tell you the same. our arrogance is misguided. Yes, we make high quality products, but whilst we were busy watching the empire shrink, everyone else caught up and in many ways, ran right past us. So prattle on about spitfires all you like, but you’re bang wrong about manufacturing. 👍 Quote
Casino Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 What i would say is that i havent got a clue if in or out is better for the country What i would say is that for a bloke of my age, its better if we dont leave Maybe my kids will reap the benefit, maybe they wont Strikes me, leaving is all about a philosophy, remaining, on the whole, is about things being pretty well ok as it is, so why gamble Quote
Guest Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Brain-dead. We've done alright over the last forty odd years otherwise how did we get the 5th biggest econmomy. An economy brexiteers are prepared to gamble with by leaving a trading union with our biggest market. And for what? It ain't their cash, though, I think you'll agree? Quote
Casino Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Spider said: Our factory employs over a hundred people. the way we trade with the EU has been very beneficial and Brexit has already lost us customers. It is no longer the 60’s or the 70’s so why you’d refer to standards 50 years ago is baffling. We have the British Kite Mark for al out products and it is indeed respected globally. But you seem to think the EU hasn’t caught up. It has, and it is better in a lot of ways. The EN standards model is now recognised worldwide as a high benchmark and will be preferred in trading agreements over and above British standards. If you don’t believe me, ask any manufacturer that exports and they will tell you the same. our arrogance is misguided. Yes, we make high quality products, but whilst we were busy watching the empire shrink, everyone else caught up and in many ways, ran right past us. So prattle on about spitfires all you like, but you’re bang wrong about manufacturing. We were busy through summer Now its dropped off a cliff Pretty clear folk have been stocking up Fortunately, we dont export much, but fcuk me, its a ballache when we ship outside the eu Pissing about like that to send something to ireland or france fills me with dread Quote
Guest Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Casino said: What i would say is that i havent got a clue if in or out is better for the country What i would say is that for a bloke of my age, its better if we dont leave Maybe my kids will reap the benefit, maybe they wont Strikes me, leaving is all about a philosophy, remaining, on the whole, is about things being pretty well ok as it is, so why gamble It is, absolutely, about philosophy I get why folks might want to retain the staus quo Quote
Farrelli Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Casino said: Farrelli has repeatedly posted that regardless of how much we pay in, and regardless of how much comes back, more finds its way to the regions than it would if left to london to divvy it up The facts support his position Indeed. The UK is definitely stronger as part of the EU and I think brexit will sadly lead to its demise. Quote
Guest Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, Farrelli said: Indeed. The UK is definitely stronger as part of the EU and I think brexit will sadly lead to its demise. In your opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote
Casino Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 To be far, even as a remainer, and sympathetic to much that farrelli posts, i dont know that we are stronger I just dont have the time or the will to find out Quote
Spider Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Casino said: We were busy through summer Now its dropped off a cliff Pretty clear folk have been stocking up Fortunately, we dont export much, but fcuk me, its a ballache when we ship outside the eu Pissing about like that to send something to ireland or france fills me with dread I could send you an email from our last remaining Irish customer about the expected procedures on Nov 1st that would make your eyes bleed. They've a project due for completion before Christmas and we are their only supplier for certain parts of it. currently, we just send the stuff. That’s it. Next month, no one has the foggiest what sending stuff to ROI will involve. The contingencies were having to make are costly and downright shit. Its like you commute into Manchester every day all your life, but then your told you may have to pull over half way down the East Lancs for checks, or you might not, or you might have to do it at despatch, or not. Or you may have to detour through Eccles, or not. But have loads of paperwork. Or you may just have to go back. Just. Fucking. Tell. Us. Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 12, 2019 Author Posted October 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Indeed. The UK is definitely stronger as part of the EU and I think brexit will sadly lead to its demise. Here https://www.socialeurope.eu/eu-membership-accelerate-uk-economic-growth Quote
Guest Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Casino said: To be far, even as a remainer, and sympathetic to much that farrelli posts, i dont know that we are stronger I just dont have the time or the will to find out Stronger is too an abstract concept for a Satday neet after a few glasses. In any event, we'll be fine Quote
Farrelli Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, boltondiver said: It ain't their cash, though, I think you'll agree? It's a union of countries all contributing and all benefitting. The EU customs union is a powerful trading block and we're much better being part of it. Quote
Guest Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Farrelli said: It's a union of countries all contributing and all benefitting. The EU customs union is a powerful trading block and we're much better being part of it. It ain't their cash, though, I think you'll agree? Quote
Farrelli Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Stronger is too an abstract concept for a Satday neet after a few glasses. In any event, we'll be fine Well to qualify stronger in this context, I think the UK will be weaker without Scotland. We'll be fine means who exactly? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, Casino said: Farrelli has repeatedly posted that regardless of how much we pay in, and regardless of how much comes back, more finds its way to the regions than it would if left to london to divvy it up The facts support his position What facts are these? Quote
Guest Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Well to qualify stronger in this context, I think the UK will be weaker without Scotland. We'll be fine means who exactly? One definition of stronger, I suppose, out of an almost infinite number. We = us. You are trying to out-cheese cheese Edited October 12, 2019 by boltondiver Quote
Farrelli Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: It ain't their cash, though, I think you'll agree? We are in a union which we both contribute to and benefit from. Quote
Guest Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, Farrelli said: We are in a union which we both contribute to and benefit from. Ok. How much money do the EU have to start with? Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 12, 2019 Author Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: What facts are these? This suggests the opposite https://www.socialeurope.eu/eu-membership-accelerate-uk-economic-growth Edited October 12, 2019 by miamiwhite Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 30 minutes ago, Spider said: Our factory employs over a hundred people. the way we trade with the EU has been very beneficial and Brexit has already lost us customers. It is no longer the 60’s or the 70’s so why you’d refer to standards 50 years ago is baffling. We have the British Kite Mark for al out products and it is indeed respected globally. But you seem to think the EU hasn’t caught up. It has, and it is better in a lot of ways. The EN standards model is now recognised worldwide as a high benchmark and will be preferred in trading agreements over and above British standards. If you don’t believe me, ask any manufacturer that exports and they will tell you the same. our arrogance is misguided. Yes, we make high quality products, but whilst we were busy watching the empire shrink, everyone else caught up and in many ways, ran right past us. So prattle on about spitfires all you like, but you’re bang wrong about manufacturing. In my game textiles, virtually everything is British standard, and in general the British standard is higher than EN standards. Quote
Casino Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: This suggests the opposite https://www.socialeurope.eu/eu-membership-accelerate-uk-economic-growth Theres nothing in there about cash to the regions, so all a bit irrelevant to the point i made Quote
Farrelli Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, boltondiver said: One definition of stronger, I suppose out of an almost infinite number. We = us. We/us doesn't cover it though because the less well off will be disproportionately affected by brexit. Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 12, 2019 Author Posted October 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Casino said: Theres nothing in there about cash to the regions, so all a bit irrelevant to the point i made That wasn’t in regards to your point, it was in reference to Farrelli Quote
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