miamiwhite Posted October 12, 2019 Author Posted October 12, 2019 Almost four years to the day since this gaffe.... Note at the bottom what his aides say https://news.sky.com/story/did-juncker-say-britain-does-not-need-the-eu-10343098 Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 2 hours ago, miamiwhite said: Almost four years to the day since this gaffe.... Note at the bottom what his aides say https://news.sky.com/story/did-juncker-say-britain-does-not-need-the-eu-10343098 Just the wine talking! Quote
Winchester White Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 The bloke talkes a lot of sense. Not that it matters, we will leave at some point. Quote
Farrelli Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, Winchester White said: The bloke talkes a lot of sense. Not that it matters, we will leave at some point. Sense left the building ages ago on the leave side. Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 12, 2019 Author Posted October 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Sense left the building ages ago on the leave side. Is that the only argument you have ? Nothing has been proven yet, so stop all this guff and give it time. Quote
Farrelli Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Is that the only argument you have ? Nothing has been proven yet, so stop all this guff and give it time. No Quote
darwen_white Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Is that the only argument you have ? Nothing has been proven yet, so stop all this guff and give it time. The only argument remainers have is fear and negativity. Positivity and forward thinking doesn't enter their minds. Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 12, 2019 Author Posted October 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, Farrelli said: No Tell me about the 500k job losses then, the deep economic recession we’re currently experiencing due to voting to leave etc.......go on... Stop reading The Guardian, you’re better off with The Beano. Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 12, 2019 Author Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, darwen_white said: The only argument remainers have is fear and negativity. Positivity and forward thinking doesn't enter their minds. Correct pal....fear and negativity drummed into them by the EU overlords and their 10,000 devotees paid more than the current PM. Quote
Cheese Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, darwen_white said: The only argument remainers have is fear and negativity. Positivity and forward thinking doesn't enter their minds. Jesus. You lot have swallowed way too much of the Cool Aid. Quote
Casino Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Cheese said: Jesus. You lot have swallowed way too much of the Cool Aid. Theyve bought a dream and while they know theres no BOOM FACTs to support it, they cling on Probably the first to knock folk who get down to church evey week Quote
Farrelli Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 49 minutes ago, darwen_white said: The only argument remainers have is fear and negativity. Positivity and forward thinking doesn't enter their minds. Total nonsense as per Quote
Winchester White Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 I like how things have gone from being sunlit uplands to not being as bad as remoaners say they will be. I half want us to leave with no deal just to prove their lies. Only problem is the obvious shitstorm and the fact our return to the EU would be humiliating and on lesser terms than we have now. Or, I am wrong and we really do get the best of all worlds when we leave. Hope I am wrong as we must surely be leaving soon. Quote
darwen_white Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Total nonsense as per Another negative post. 😟 It would've been interesting to read something positive about the EU - but after 1050 pages, I won't hold my breath. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, darwen_white said: Another negative post. 😟 It would've been interesting to read something positive about the EU - but after 1050 pages, I won't hold my breath. Well there are millions starving in Switzerland. Quote
Farrelli Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 1 minute ago, darwen_white said: Another negative post. 😟 It would've been interesting to read something positive about the EU - but after 1050 pages, I won't hold my breath. Well you obviously haven't been paying attention then. The EU has been a huge driver in improving workers rights, environmental standards and food/product safety. It has also been a significant investor in social, transport and building infrastructure as well as innovation, research and technological advancement ( I refer you to Boris Johnsons speech at the recent Tory conference). Quote
Cheese Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Well there are millions starving in Switzerland. Switzerland is a member of EFTA. That includes Freedom of Movement for EU citizens, but they have no say in anything. Edited October 12, 2019 by Cheese Quote
darwen_white Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Well you obviously haven't been paying attention then. The EU has been a huge driver in improving workers rights, environmental standards and food/product safety. It has also been a significant investor in social, transport and building infrastructure as well as innovation, research and technological advancement ( I refer you to Boris Johnsons speech at the recent Tory conference). We had workers' rights long before we "joined" the EU. Never anything wrong with food standards here either (including tomatoes!). And to suggest British building infrastructure and innovation is due to EU membership is quite frankly ridiculous. Quote
Cheese Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, darwen_white said: We had workers' rights long before we "joined" the EU. Never anything wrong with food standards here either (including tomatoes!). And to suggest British building infrastructure and innovation is due to EU membership is quite frankly ridiculous. How old were you when we "joined" the EU? Quote
Farrelli Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, darwen_white said: We had workers' rights long before we "joined" the EU. Never anything wrong with food standards here either (including tomatoes!). And to suggest British building infrastructure and innovation is due to EU membership is quite frankly ridiculous. The UK has been part of the process of defining standards within the EU but to suggest we have a better record in these areas is frankly nonsense. Britain had some of the most polluted waters and air quality in Europe in the 60s and 70s. However, it took EU integrated pollution control legislation to force industry to clean up its act. Re. Building/ transport infrastructure. The point is that the EU has invested in projects above and beyond what the UK government can feasibly support. They have also done this in under funded regions (Wales/NI). Re. Innovation. Yes the UK has a good record too but the point is the EU has a very large resource. They are able to assist funding in all kinds of scientific and technological areas which would otherwise take much longer or not happen at all. Honestly, I get you want to leave the EU but the UK overall has benefitted significantly by being part of this union and it's not a crime to admit it. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Farrelli said: The UK has been part of the process of defining standards within the EU but to suggest we have a better record in these areas is frankly nonsense. Britain had some of the most polluted waters and air quality in Europe in the 60s and 70s. However, it took EU integrated pollution control legislation to force industry to clean up its act. Re. Building/ transport infrastructure. The point is that the EU has invested in projects above and beyond what the UK government can feasibly support. They have also done this in under funded regions (Wales/NI). Re. Innovation. Yes the UK has a good record too but the point is the EU has a very large resource. They are able to assist funding in all kinds of scientific and technological areas which would otherwise take much longer or not happen at all. Honestly, I get you want to leave the EU but the UK overall has benefitted significantly by being part of this union and it's not a crime to admit it. British standards are some of the most respected in the world. We do not need EU for this. In the 60s and 70s we had a large manufacturing base and standards were already changing and improving, this was a worldwide phenomenon. We do not need the EU for this. The EU has only invested money we gave them, if we had not given them the money we could have spent more on ourselves as they give us less back than we put in. Our manufacturing base has been undermined by the EU as has our fishing industry, it’s been swings and roundabouts and I’d be very surprised if we have any real benefit from being a member. Edited October 13, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Guest Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 23 minutes ago, Farrelli said: The UK has been part of the process of defining standards within the EU but to suggest we have a better record in these areas is frankly nonsense. Britain had some of the most polluted waters and air quality in Europe in the 60s and 70s. However, it took EU integrated pollution control legislation to force industry to clean up its act. Re. Building/ transport infrastructure. The point is that the EU has invested in projects above and beyond what the UK government can feasibly support. They have also done this in under funded regions (Wales/NI). Re. Innovation. Yes the UK has a good record too but the point is the EU has a very large resource. They are able to assist funding in all kinds of scientific and technological areas which would otherwise take much longer or not happen at all. Honestly, I get you want to leave the EU but the UK overall has benefitted significantly by being part of this union and it's not a crime to admit it. Brainwashed The EU has £0 to invest; nil. It is our money, paid to them and then they choose as emperors, how/where to spend. Surely you know that. Surely? Quote
Spider Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: British standards are some of the most respected in the world. We do not need EU for this. In the 60s and 70s we had a large manufacturing base and standards were already changing and improving, this was a worldwide phenomenon. We do not need the EU for this. The EU has only invested money we gave them, if we had not given them the money we could have spent more on ourselves as they give us less back than we put in. Our manufacturing base has been undermined by the EU has as our fishing industry, it’s been swings and roundabouts and I’d be very surprised if we have any real benefit from being a member. Our factory employs over a hundred people. the way we trade with the EU has been very beneficial and Brexit has already lost us customers. It is no longer the 60’s or the 70’s so why you’d refer to standards 50 years ago is baffling. We have the British Kite Mark for al out products and it is indeed respected globally. But you seem to think the EU hasn’t caught up. It has, and it is better in a lot of ways. The EN standards model is now recognised worldwide as a high benchmark and will be preferred in trading agreements over and above British standards. If you don’t believe me, ask any manufacturer that exports and they will tell you the same. our arrogance is misguided. Yes, we make high quality products, but whilst we were busy watching the empire shrink, everyone else caught up and in many ways, ran right past us. So prattle on about spitfires all you like, but you’re bang wrong about manufacturing. Quote
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