Politics

[London Wanderer]

4 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Haha, priceless deflection from a bitter NAT who can't face the truth, like I say....your dictator has taught you well😄 🤣 😂 

Show me instances right now where other parties have tried to jail an innocent man ? Yes, Salmond was proven not guilty in a court of law.

If the Salmond farce is taken up as it should be now by the police, there will be prison sentences and rightly so. Even a staunch SNP lover like yourself cannot defend the indefensible, even though your media will talk about hairdressers as the main feed on the 6pm news 🐑 

I do find it funny that you think I'm an SNP lover. Or that you think I'm even trying to defend what's happened. I said to you a week ago that I thought she should resign. I know very little about this whole thing, including how the Salmon case went. He did act inappropriately around those women though? It was just never proven as sexual harassment? Nothing wrong with putting a case against someone. Why should they go to prison for it? Genuine questions these, as I've been busy lately & I'm out the loop.

Chatting to you is like banging my head against a wall at times. Impossible to have a proper discussion. I think I'll stop taking the bait 😁 you can have all the booms & all the points 👍 I'm sure you're bloody lovely in the real world x

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

I do find it funny that you think I'm an SNP lover. Or that you think I'm even trying to defend what's happened. I said to you a week ago that I thought she should resign. I know very little about this whole thing, including how the Salmon case went. He did act inappropriately around those women though? It was just never proven as sexual harassment? Nothing wrong with putting a case against someone. Why should they go to prison for it? Genuine questions these, as I've been busy lately & I'm out the loop.

Chatting to you is like banging my head against a wall at times. Impossible to have a proper discussion. I think I'll stop taking the bait 😁 you can have all the booms & all the points 👍 I'm sure you're bloody lovely in the real world x

Are you really serious ?

They collaborated to send him to jail, then have frantically tried to cover up what they did, hiding all sorts of evidence from the inquiry. They have committed perjury too. Serious criminal offences.

You really do have no idea or just being deliberately blind to the facts.

Amazing that actually, as last year you were trying to patronise how superb they were.

Priceless.

[London Wanderer]

8 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Are you really serious ?

They collaborated to send him to jail, then have frantically tried to cover up what they did, hiding all sorts of evidence from the inquiry. They have committed perjury too. Serious criminal offences.

You really do have no idea or just being deliberately blind to the facts.

Amazing that actually, as last year you were trying to patronise how superb they were.

Priceless.

I was saying they were superb was I? What did I say? 

That's the difference here. I'm just trying to ask you genuine questions, as I haven't been tuning into much in the world of politics lately. Whereas to you this is just a game & you'd rather send insults than have a genuine discussion.

Are you saying that Salmon didn't do anything wrong? He said himself he could have been a better man and some of the cases came back not proven, rather than not guilty. Sounds dodgy to me.

Not denying they acted unlawfully in the handling of the case. People should resign for that.

But they had every right to take him to court after those allegations. Do you think all of the women made it up? 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

I was saying they were superb was I? What did I say? 

That's the difference here. I'm just trying to ask you genuine questions, as I haven't been tuning into much in the world of politics lately. Whereas to you this is just a game & you'd rather send insults than have a genuine discussion.

Are you saying that Salmon didn't do anything wrong? He said himself he could have been a better man and some of the cases came back not proven, rather than not guilty. Sounds dodgy to me.

Not denying they acted unlawfully in the handling of the case. People should resign for that.

But they had every right to take him to court after those allegations. Do you think all of the women made it up? 

To be fair, that’s what Saint Nippy said.

But, he’s been found innocent in a court of law.

 

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by boltondiver

[miamiwhite]

51 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I was saying they were superb was I? What did I say? 

That's the difference here. I'm just trying to ask you genuine questions, as I haven't been tuning into much in the world of politics lately. Whereas to you this is just a game & you'd rather send insults than have a genuine discussion.

Are you saying that Salmon didn't do anything wrong? He said himself he could have been a better man and some of the cases came back not proven, rather than not guilty. Sounds dodgy to me.

Not denying they acted unlawfully in the handling of the case. People should resign for that.

But they had every right to take him to court after those allegations. Do you think all of the women made it up? 

Had every right ?

Read what the lawyers advising Nippy said, they strongly advised her and her cabal to avoid the case as it was unwinnable. Did they heed the advice ? No....they tried further to fabricate evidence, illegally. 

I don't want to insult you, but you are blind and cannot be capable of discussing the facts, which you know nothing at all about, that is clear to see.

Please read all the files then report back, there's a good lad.

[miamiwhite]

50 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

To be fair, that’s what Saint Nippy said.

But, he’s been found innocent in a fort of law.

 

 

G, read what the lawyers acting for the SNP told them straight re the case. It was Sturgeon's who insisted on taking it further and overruled them at a huge cost to the taxpayer. Utterly disgraceful by them.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

G, read what the lawyers acting for the SNP told them straight re the case. It was Sturgeon's who insisted on taking it further and overruled them at a huge cost to the taxpayer. Utterly disgraceful by them.

The problem is the toxic blend of nationalism and socialism.

Socialists don’t really want the nationalism, but she’s bribed them with the usual socialist agenda items.

[miamiwhite]

5 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The problem is the toxic blend of nationalism and socialism.

Socialists don’t really want the nationalism, but she’s bribed them with the usual socialist agenda items.

Quite ironic phrase as suborning of witnesses was mentioned  re Nippy's team efforts to get women to come forward with bogus stories. Salmond may have had other stuff in his locker from the past, but on this occasion he was proven by a court to be totally innocent. The files of the QC Roddy Dunlop make for good reading and damning evidence against the SNP, no wonder they didn't want that evidence used in the inquiry, an absolute shocker.

Over 400 people were interviewed by the plod, but not shred of evidence against Salmond, then suddenly the text and WhatsApp group start concocting a false story after the police were involved.

This will go to a proper court and folk will be in big trouble.

I sincerely hope London Wanderer makes the time to fully read and comprehend the actual scale of deceit and deception the SNP have done here. It is disgusting 

[miamiwhite]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

I was saying they were superb was I? What did I say? 

That's the difference here. I'm just trying to ask you genuine questions, as I haven't been tuning into much in the world of politics lately. Whereas to you this is just a game & you'd rather send insults than have a genuine discussion.

Are you saying that Salmon didn't do anything wrong? He said himself he could have been a better man and some of the cases came back not proven, rather than not guilty. Sounds dodgy to me.

Not denying they acted unlawfully in the handling of the case. People should resign for that.

But they had every right to take him to court after those allegations. Do you think all of the women made it up? 

Read this headline, one was not proven, all the other 12 charges were found not guilty.

Stop being selective in the truth

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52078493

[Spider]

Is this parochial yawnfest not sorted yet?

Bet there’s porridge all over the walls

[miamiwhite]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

Is this parochial yawnfest not sorted yet?

Bet there’s porridge all over the walls

Would have been over if the SNP scum heeded legal advice and drop the case, instead of fabricating the evidence illegally, of which the police have proof seeing it was they who furnished Salmond with the messages sent by the harem, the said messages were used in court but bizarrely dismissed and not allowed to be used most recently by Sturgeon and Co in the inquiry....hmmmmm🤔 

Separation of powers there with an outside official police inquiry will soon draw it to the much needed conclusion and the end of yet another failed Nationalist party run by a tinpot, power mad, narcissist 

[Spider]

5 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Would have been over if the SNP scum heeded legal advice and drop the case, instead of fabricating the evidence illegally, of which the police have proof seeing it was they who furnished Salmond with the messages sent by the harem, the said messages were used in court but bizarrely dismissed and not allowed to be used most recently by Sturgeon and Co in the inquiry....hmmmmm🤔 

Separation of powers there with an outside official police inquiry will soon draw it to the much needed conclusion and the end of yet another failed Nationalist party run by a tinpot, power mad, narcissist 

Leave Boris out of this

[miamiwhite]

14 minutes ago, Spider said:

Leave Boris out of this

Jawohl mein fuhrer

 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Jawohl mein fuhrer

 

 

Oh dear.

[London Wanderer]

10 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

I don't want to insult you, but you are blind and cannot be capable of discussing the facts, which you know nothing at all about, that is clear to see.

Please read all the files then report back, there's a good lad.

I literally told you in the last post that I've been busy and haven't been tuning into this. Then you come back and spout all this shite. Isn't the normal thing to do to just politely share some useful articles? The Spectator one is a good start👍  

Is this why you PM'd me last week? Begging me to come and debate Nicola and the SNP with you on here? You've been wanking over this moment for weeks. 

We know that sexual harassment cases are difficult to prove. The lad had allegations from 9 women. Do you think they all made it up to shame him politically? If they decided to take him to court regardless of the legal advice, for the women, then I don't see an issue with that. If they fabricated evidence illegally then resignations need to be made. Have they proven Salmon's accusation that evidence was fabricated? Why aren't the police involved if so?

It's clear that there has been a lot of lies and that she's misled parliament. We will know more when the second inquiry comes out regarding the ministerial code. For these reasons she should resign. She might not though. I could give you a long list of cross party politicians who have broken codes, acted unlawfully and bullied staff who also haven't resigned.

Edited March 18, 2021 by London Wanderer

[Tonge moor green jacket]

There have been suggestions that the snp machine "encouraged" so called victims to come forward.

It is somewhat strange that he was found not guilty on them all bar one.

Makes you wonder if they were encouraged to have relations in the first place.

[Escobarp]

 

[London Wanderer]

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

There have been suggestions that the snp machine "encouraged" so called victims to come forward.

It is somewhat strange that he was found not guilty on them all bar one.

Makes you wonder if they were encouraged to have relations in the first place.

If people have been sexually harassed then shouldn't they be encouraged to come forward? 

I don't think it's strange at all. Only 1.7 % of reported rapes are prosecuted in court. Based on that the Salmon case outcome sounds about right. 

Do you think all 9 women were part of a conspiracy? 

[London Wanderer]

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

 

Do you think she'll resign? I've got a feeling they will wait until the elections if they can hold on. Could backfire. 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

If people have been sexually harassed then shouldn't they be encouraged to come forward? 

I don't think it's strange at all. Only 1.7 % of reported rapes are prosecuted in court. Based on that the Salmon case outcome sounds about right. 

Do you think all 9 women were part of a conspiracy? 

You’re making out as though they knew they existed and coaxed them to come forward? That isn’t what allegedly happened. They were canvassing women employees asking them if they’d had any problems with salmond. Completely unsolicited and uninformed approaches. It’s massively different IMO. 

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

You’re making out as though they knew they existed and coaxed them to come forward? That isn’t what allegedly happened. They were canvassing women employees asking them if they’d had any problems with salmond. Completely unsolicited and uninformed approaches. It’s massively different IMO. 

Did they not carry that out based on allegations though? 

Edited March 18, 2021 by London Wanderer

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Do you think she'll resign? I've got a feeling they will wait until the elections if they can hold on. Could backfire. 

She won’t resign.  She will say let the electorate decide. But that’s flawed as only her constitutents are voting for her not the whole electorate. 
 

i don’t understand the inner workings of the Scottish parliament but you would think somebody should be able to remove her. There is a “rule” that you are deemed to have broken the ministerial code up here you resign. So she should by that rule leave. 
 

but we all really knew from the weight of evidence that she had lied and misled parliament and the inquiry in reality. 
 

im waiting if the whataboutery which has already predictably commenced on Twitter in the comments to that post. 

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Did they not carry that out based on allegations though? 

Not all of them no. They openly canvassed and approached people to ask them and then encouraged them to come forward. Just seems odd to me. But maybe they deemed it necessary given concerns about his behaviour? Who knows what has gone on in reality.  But there have definitely been people trying to cover this up. That’s for sure 

Edited March 18, 2021 by Escobarp

[miamiwhite]

4 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

You’re making out as though they knew they existed and coaxed them to come forward? That isn’t what allegedly happened. They were canvassing women employees asking them if they’d had any problems with salmond. Completely unsolicited and uninformed approaches. It’s massively different IMO. 

Thank you pal, don't waste your time on him. He hasn't got a fucking clue. Just like when he was backing the wrong horse last year in BLM.

Sturgeon can't stay, she has to go too much damning evidence against her....she even bare faced lied in Parliament today.

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

She won’t resign.  She will say let the electorate decide. But that’s flawed as only her constitutents are voting for her not the whole electorate. 
 

i don’t understand the inner workings of the Scottish parliament but you would think somebody should be able to remove her. There is a “rule” that you are deemed to have broken the ministerial code up here you resign. So she should by that rule leave. 
 

but we all really knew from the weight of evidence that she had lied and misled parliament and the inquiry in reality. 
 

im waiting if the whataboutery which has already predictably commenced on Twitter in the comments to that post. 

She should. Looks even worse on someone who has always claimed to be honest and upfront with the public throughout this pandemic. 

If we're living a culture where other ministers aren't resigning when breaking codes and committing other 'offences' then it's relevant. Not that it should be an excuse for her.